09-12-2012, 09:24 PM
Quote:Magister Militum Flavius Aetius post=320361 Wrote:It's debatable actually. The Roman Army of the west likely numbered (estimate of course) around 90,000 men total in 395.Are you referring to the total number or to the field army troops? based on?
Quote:The Notitia Dignitatum was written roughly in 420 in the west,Erm, no, it was wriiten 25 years earlier (c. 394) and some (but not all) parts may have been updated, some indeed as late as perhaps c. 420. [note the many 'may's' and 'perhapses' here].
Quote:and with a firm hold on Africa the Army likely numbered 60,000 under Constantius III and Aetius (prior to 439). Afterwards Aetius probablt had about 30000 men spread throughout the empire, which declined further after the Illyrian and Gallic portions left after the death of Majoran.I think this is based on guesswork only? :wink:
Quote:The Roman army would still have been distinguishable by Shield Patterns and Equipment, but would have looked similar to thier foes. However; most Roman Troops (in the front ranks at least) wore metal armor, so that would have been a big way to distinguish.Although Sidonius describes Gothic noblemen richly clad in fur, the continuation of Roman fashions may suggest that he was showing his dislike for his new rulers (they kicked him from part of his estates) by overstating their barbarious-ness. many non-Roman troops took over Roman fabricae or were supplied by them, suggesting that it would have been really difficult to keep them apart by looking at their equipment.
I took the listings for the number of Palatina, Limitanei, and Comitatenses Units, assigned them numbers, and counted. I played around with it (Goldsworthy says 38,000 in his complete Roman Army).
The Figure of 90,000 is based on Heather actually, but I have no Idea where he got that figure as I dont have the book on hand. Heather lists 120,000 for the Eastern Half.
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