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Avete omnes,<br>
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for all of You who can receive German TV (ZDF): today, sunday, 19:30 the documentation "Die letzte Schlacht der Kelten - Last Battle of the Celts" - here the highly informative link:<br>
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[url=http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/0/0,1872,2213664,00.html" target="top]www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/0/0,1872,2213664,00.html[/url]<br>
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Hi Uwe,<br>
thanks for the info, I'll have a look. Any idea if this is the same one as BBC2 aired last week?<br>
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<em>Any idea if this is the same one as BBC2 aired last week?</em><br>
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Looking at the ZDF website, I would say no, it isn't the same programme. Far too many re-enactors ;-)<br>
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Some of the pictures are from that dreadful Vercingetorix flick "Druids" from a few years ago. <p></p><i></i>
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I see the dreaded 'trooper' helmets, lorica segmentata made by someone who has not read anything published about Roman armour since 1975 and a pallisade wall which does not appear to be mouted on an embankment. I hope the information given by the commentators is of better quality than the 'information' to be gained from the photograph.<br>
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No, it was not the same one. I liked this one, too. At least they made some effort (although I kinda doubt the druids were constantly dressed in long white robes while trampling through that primieval forest). Maybe there were mistakes, but at least it did not look as if it was shot in a day and a half with five reenactors. Gauls looked OK, but horned helmets?<br>
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Contrary to the BBC, this documentary mentioned the expulsion of the non-combatants from the hillfort because of the lack of food (even though the defenders did not exactly look gaunt from famine). But neither mentioned too many details about the horrors of Iron Age warfare. Still too glorious for my taste, with that 'national heroism' stuff.<br>
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The armour of the Romans seemed to be in deed a mix of 'Druids' and the worse ones from 'Asterix and Obelix against Caesar' with Christian Clavier and Gerard Depardieu, and also there were scenes where real re-enactors seem to have been involved (which logically wore the most correct equipment). If You forget the segmentatae and rectangular scuta I found it not so bad (but I must admit that I have not yet seen the whole documentation and only took it up with the video-recorder).<br>
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The mass scenes were also from 'Druids' and did You notice how the documentation's Vercingetorix wore the same coat as Chistopher Lambert in 'Druids'? So they could over-dazzle from genuine film scenes on close-ups. Also the computer animations about the battle itself were a good job IMHO.<br>
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And the documentation included scenes from the TV Mini Series 'Julius Caesar' with Jeremy Sisto that show the exodus of the non-combattants (women, children) out of Alesia, an episode that was suppressed in 'Druids'. The fighting scenes from the two films were completed by scenes with re-enactors at the original theatre Alise-Sainte-Reine and the 'triumph' of Caesar took place obviously at the Porta Nigra in Trier.<br>
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All in all a not so bad documentation. Was anybody from the forum involved?<br>
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Uwe <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=uwebahr>Uwe Bahr</A> at: 11/17/04 7:45 am<br></i>
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Hey!<br>
That's me!<br>
wstreaming.zdf.de/zdf/56/...ik_exp.asx<br>
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I forgot that ZDF documentary!<br>
Anyone has more footage? <p></p><i></i>
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That's You?? Dr. Dario Battaglia? Never knew that.<br>
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What groups were involved in that 'changing' manouvre? As they showed it, it looked a bit haphazard - were the formations not very vulnerable during such a manouvre, assuming it was excecuted during the battle?<br>
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No, I'm not Dario Battaglia!!! (that is not "Dr."....)<br>
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I'm one of the legionaries in the front line.<br>
I remember that day I was really upset because those "changes" produced one of the leather straps to broken.... <p></p><i></i>
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Hi,<br>
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Although I enjoyed the computer-animation of the tactical maneuvers of the Alesia-battle a lot, I wasn't very impressed with the rest of the program. First of all they compressed the Celtic period into an overview where Hallstat and La Tène cultures were almost static or non-evolving in character and could easily be interchanged. As if after 700 years the Celts/Gauls of the period of Gaulish wars were still the same as in the formation period of the Celtic culture.<br>
The (preparation for)battle/fighting scenes were of a unequal quality showing a full mixture of armour and arms from different time-frames. Only the scenes they shot extra for the documentary were at a very acceptable credibility-level. But in all it gave a confusing impression.<br>
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