lammellar shoulder doublings??

[richard robinson]

I am currently assembling my iron and brass lammellar cuiras.I intend to have shoulder doublings reminicent of the Mars of Todi. However I am curious as to whether anybody knows when this style of shoulder protection went out of fashion. i,e., is there any late Roman/Byzantine evidence in this regard. Also what are the most likely means of attaching
them to the front. Thanking you in advance,
Richard Robinson
Australia

[Caballo]

Hi

Here is an image of Pamyrene warrior deities which show a possible lamellar shoulder attachment.




(Source: Wiki- treat with care - Palmyrene deities: from left to right: the lunar god Aglibôl, the supreme god Beelshamên, the sun god Malakbêl, 1st century CE, found near Bir Wereb, Wadi Miyah, Syria, Louvre Museum)

I confess that I though these sculptures were later than 1st century BCE, but I'm no expert on Palmyra.

I'm unaware of any evidence for late doubling (ie 3rd / 4th century) and believe that shoulder doubling went out of fashion in the second century, with possible depictions on the Adamklissi metopes.

[Baiuware]

The reconstruction of the Niederstotzingen lamellar armour (Grave 12a) as suggested by Paulsen includes shoulder straps. They do not overlap as far as the one in the picture posted above, but the lamellae might as well have neem arranged in a different fashion.

A quick search came up with scans from the original publication:
http://www.ragtools.cz/sidney/index.php?id=102

The grave is dated to around 600 AD, so it is considerably later than the evidence mentioned above.

[Caballo]

Thank you- was this lamellar iron, bronze, or leather (my linguistic skill fails me ...)

Heres another Byzantine lamellar- this time from Cartagena http://gladius.revistas.csic.es/index.ph...ad/196/198.

No conclusive evidence re shoulder fastening though, apart from the lames used at the shoulder perhaps being smaller.

[Baiuware]

It's iron, supposed to have been tied and rimmed with leather

[scott]

Lamellar aside, how interesting is that gladius suspension suggested in the sculpture pictured?