Help Identifying This Helmet

[Crispvs]

I wouldn't worry too much about the eyebrows. When Robinson defined the Worms helmet as Imperial Gallic type 'G' and the Augsburg helmet as Imperial Gallic type 'H' he actually commented that aside from the angle of the neck guard and the shape of the eyebrows they were essentially the same as each other. Twenty years or so later Peter Connolly showed convincingly that eyebrows were not a reliable way of typing helmets.

When Deepeeka came up with their original Imperial Gallic 'G' and Imperial Gallic 'H' helmets they made the angle of the neck guard more or less the same on each helmet, less angled that that of the Augsburg helmet and more angled than that of the Worms helmet. Therefore the only real difference between the two was the shape of the eyebrows, which as I mentioned above, Connolly had already shown to be of little importance for defining helmet types.

In short then, the type 'G' and the type 'H' should really be thought of as a single type.

With regard to RAT members' involvement in the development of more accurate items from Deepeeka, this is true. The good people over at Armae are RAT members too.
Late in 2005 Gagan and Gaurav from Deepeeka came across RAT and were a bit surprised by some of the comments they found about Deepeeka equipment. They immediately announced an intention to improve their quality and some time in early or mid 2006 Deepeeka contacted a number of us to invite us over to their factory in India to help them with expert advice. Most of us were unable to go (I was expecting a baby at the time) but Peronis was able to go and kept RAT updated with nightly photos of new developments, to which we all added our own helpful comments and drawings, which he would take back to Deepeeka the next day.

I am not entirely sure what you mean about the "loop". Simply take a piece of leather thonging, pass it through the ring under the neck guard and pass one end through each of the rings in the cheek guards. Put your helmet on and tie the ends tightly together. This will both secure the helmet and bring the cheek guard close into your face to afford you the greatest protection.
The detail of a sliding bead or similar is an alternative to tying the ends of the thong in a bow. The essentials of how to thread the thonging through the rings remain the same.

Crispvs

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Just a note on the glass bead for the helmet strap. I've tried it and it works a treat.
Looks a sight better than a bow under your chin and is a lot less fussy to do up in a hurry!
Brian Stobbs was one of the first to inform me there seems to be an alternate method of doing the straps up, when he was researching the Gallic 'D' there was a wooden toggle found with it apparently.

I would tend to go with the removable liner for the washing reasons.
So far the smell factor has outweighted the fear of a loose helmet in parade.
However, the one Gallic (or Italic) helmet I am aware of found with a liner apparently had it glued in it, as Crispus says..

[Crispvs]

I think it was one of the helmets from Newstead actually, which had something "organic" (which may or may not have been felt) stuck to the inside of the browband. When Curle applied warm water to it hock: the material became sticky, leading Curle to surmise that it may have been part of a lining which had been glued in.

Completely OT, but is that Genialis and my good self I can see in the background of your new avatar Byron?

Crispvs

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

I don't know Paul, it was something Peronis let me see, apparently it was still in a carrying bag. I was thinking it was a continental find, but I would need to trawl through home e-mails to find it.

and yes, that's you and I think your right, that looks like Genialis in the background!
was my first event at Corbridge.

[Crispvs]

Ah yes - I know the one you meant now.

Crispvs

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Found it, Vindonissa!

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

I think Matt is referring to the metal rings which should have come attached to the cheek pieces and the back of the helmet.

[Matthew Amt]

Chinstrap ring:

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/hlmring.jpg

The folded brass strip does not have to be this neat! A simple hacked-out rectangle will do.

Ring placement in the cheekpieces:

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/helmint.jpg

The rivet for the lowest boss on the outside is used to secure the ring. Ah, you can just make that out on the right-hand helmet in this photo:

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/GalG1.jpg

And here:

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/GalG5.jpg

It's not precise. Pretty much anywhere near the bottom of the cheekpiece will do.

You know, I tend to think of Gallic G as just a minor variant on type F. The angle and size of the neckguards are about the same. Type H is more like type E, just a steeper slope to the neckguard.

Valete,

Matthew

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

There is a 'G' in the database which would make me think there seems to be morerelationship betwee nthe various types than the 'categories' would have us think.

Good to see you posting more on here Crispus, it is the most I've seen you post in several years.
Keep in touch.

[Gaius Colletti]

Yes, Thank you guys, the metal rings, I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote "loops" mile: Just little brass rings of sorts? Also where can I find little brass rings like that?

For my trooper helmet, I just used key rings, if that thing wasn't inaccurate enough already....

[jvrjenivs]

Just little brass rings of sorts? Also where can I find little brass rings like that?

Brass rings will do, although brass is softer as is steel for instance. You can simply make them yourself using some thick rod with the right diameter to wrap some brass wire around. I often also use spare rings from my hamata for this kind of job, as they're riveted and thus stronger.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Found it, Vindonissa!

Possibly....:roll:

[Matthew Amt]

Yes, just wrapping brass or steel wire around a rod is the quick way to make rings--just cut off a full turn with wire cutters. Just like making rings for mail. For a stronger ring without a butted joint, cut a slice off a brass tube with a hacksaw or Dremel.

Albion used to sell nice rings with tabs attached, ready to rivet in place, but I doubt they have those any more. Try their "Moat Sale" section.

Matthew

[Evgeny]

]Colleagues, I am the same question, help determine the type of helmets

[Matthew Amt]

Have you seen the Helmet Database?

http://www.romanarmy.com/cms/component/o...Itemid,96/

There is also my own humble Legio XX page on Helmets,

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/helmets.html

But if there is a modern reproduction that you want us to look at, we will be happy to do that!

Matthew