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Lendons view on Roman warfare
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From John Lendon s view (expressed in his article "Rhetoric of Combat"), Romans relied more on psychological factors in warfare and Greeks - on tactics and training. What do the participants of the forum think about this view? I have some doubts in these theories. Roman severe discipline and training are vell known. On the other hand, Greek military historians like Polybius and Xenophon considered andreia and tolma one ofthe crucial factors of success in any battle.
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Quote:From John Lendon s view (expressed in his article "Rhetoric of Combat"), Romans relied more on psychological factors in warfare and Greeks - on tactics and training.
I believe his point is, rather, that Caesar's "conceptions about what was important in battle [descriptions] are so very different from ours, and so different too from those of his Greek predecessors" (p. 278). He takes the Battle of Pharsalus as an example to demonstrate Caesar's emphasis on his troops' virtus (bravery) and animus (morale). Caesar uses Crastinus as the role model: "the high virtus of Caesar's soldiers is confirmed" (p. 279).

Lendon knows that Caesar attributed his victory to superior tactics (compare Frontinus, Strat. 2.3.22), but he is intrigued by Caesar's own emphasis on animus and virtus in his account. He analyses Polybius and "the Greek tradition of tactics" to point up the difference, noting that, when Polybius asks himself why the Romans have prevailed in warfare, "it is to questions of formation and armament that he naturally turns" (p. 283).

Caesar is only too aware of the importance of deployment and manoeuvre, and Lendon concedes that he is using Greek concepts of battle when he writes about vis or impetus. He then studies Xenophon and "the Greek tradition of military psychology" to uncover the roots of Caesar's use of psychological factors, noting that "in contrast to Xenophon's enthusiasm for military psychology, the austere Polybius looks first to tactics and only second to psychology to understand battles" (p. 294).

His conclusion (in this part of the article) is that "to Caesar morale was not to be ignored, nor was it a sporadic, occasional concern: to Caesar morale was a constant preoccupation" (p. 295). "No ancient writer who had actually seen a battle gives psychology a larger role in his battle descriptions than Caesar" (p. 296). "Caesar deploys and maneuvers for psychological reasons" (p. 298). "Finally, in the event of defeat, the general turns immediately to restoring the crushed animus of his soldiers" (p. 299).

Turning to virtus, he shows that Polybius and Xenophon were dismissive of courage as a factor in battle, whereas it is a key factor for Caesar (e.g. the Pullo and Vorenus episode). Lendon has a lengthy and interesting discussion of how "warfare is a contest of masculinity" (p. 310), and how Romans of Caesar's generation struggled to reconcile the acceptance of stratagem with the gut feeling "that proper battles were won by virtus" (p. 316).

There is much more besides, and the article's insight into Caesarian battle narrative makes fascinating reading. Lendon does not so much contrast morale vs. tactics, as highlight Caesar's appreciation of virtus as a factor alongside morale and tactics. (I think.)
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Of course, Lendon s ideas are not extended only to comparison od psychological factors of warfare. But, as for me,
Xenophon is more similar to Caesar in depicting battles. He also wrote a lot about the morale of the troops and their psychology. But even Polybius considered bravery one of the crucial factors in reaching success. Even for generals - he wrote that the main qualities of ideal general are logismos kai tolma.
And why do Caesar and Romans generally relied more on virtus?
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I wonder if in doing this the Romans were accepting and adopting the predjudices of Greek authors. If we read modern sports reporting on athletes you will more likely find a white player described as "playing smart" or "staying cool" or other terms that focus on their knowledge of the game and control, while minority athletes are more likely to be described as "gifted" or "natural" athletes who get "fired up", etc. If Greeks had built a predjudicial dichotomy between "learned" greeks and "brave", "tenacious" Romans, then Romans might later have simply bought into these tropes in their own work.
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Well, from a pragmatic view alone, whatever the psychological motivation, it was the Romans who conquered the Greeks, for a wide array of reasons. If I had to adopt one or the other ad a driving principle in a campaign, I'd probably first study the Roman model. :wink:
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