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Calling all armchair generals! Boudica's Last Stand.
(09-13-2022, 10:48 AM)MonsGraupius Wrote:
(09-12-2022, 09:28 PM)Owein Walker Wrote: That does not fit what Ptolemy tells us:
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Quote:then the Atrebati and their town Caleva
Next to these, but farther eastward, are the Canti among whom are the towns:Londinium


There is no room for the Catuvellauni south of the Thames.

Looking at the evidence from the distribution of Celtic coins, by 43AD Catuvellauni currency was in use west of London and south of the River Thames. Things changed rapidly after Caesar left.

The Celts lived in NW Gaul and no historian until very recently even vaguely hints of any Celts in Britain. In contrast, Caesar and Tacitus tell  us of an invasion of Belgae from NE Gaul, whose name is given to one tribe at the time of Ptolemy's map. So, they were not Celtic coins, they were Belgae coins, which came into widespread use, both in the Belgae controlled areas (the nearer shores as I think Caesar puts it) and clearly beyond.

If we look at the distribution of what modern historians falsely call "Celtic" artefacts, what we find, is that they do not go much beyond the border between the Belgae and Celtae and totally disappearing in the Celtae heartland. So, "Celtic" items are nothing of the sort. However, what it does show, is that even where we have a clear boundary between the Belgae and Celts, that the Belgae artefacts do migrate over the border.

Just for interest, all the iconic and clearly misnamed "Celtic" hoards (La Tene and Hallstat) have been found in modern Germanic speaking areas, ironically including "La Tene", which was found by a German speaking Swiss, in the German speaking area, but then taken to the nearest town which was La Tene. And, as modern France has much the same borders as Gaul, these "Celtic" artefacts are probably not even Gaulic.

Instead, we do see the rise of a new elite in the SE of England about 150BC. That can be equated to the invasion of Belgae Gauls. So, the fantastic Battersea shield etc., which seem to appear with the Belgae Gauls in SE England, can be reasonably linked to the Belgae Gauls ... or French as we might now call them.

In other words, the first French invasion .... long before William the Bastard.
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And all this changes nothing.
Both north and south of the Thames were unified by Cunobellinus, son of Tasciovanus around 20AD.
Coins minted in Camulodunum.

This feels like I'm trying to help you, but you aren't listening. You either don't want to know or choose to ignore them, but I don't understand why. I assume you know what you know and that's final, but if that's the case then I'd expect you to have a final battlefield in mind ,so where is it?

I was going to mention the Fosse Way, but you are nowhere near there and have ignored it completely until now, so let's move on.
Ian
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Re: Calling all armchair generals! - by Ensifer - 03-11-2010, 03:13 PM
Re: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by Steve Kaye - 02-18-2012, 06:26 PM
Re: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by Steve Kaye - 02-19-2012, 12:02 AM
Re: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by Steve Kaye - 02-19-2012, 02:50 PM
Re: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by Steve Kaye - 02-19-2012, 05:40 PM
Re: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by Steve Kaye - 02-19-2012, 11:26 PM
Re: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by Steve Kaye - 04-24-2012, 05:11 PM
Re: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by Steve Kaye - 04-24-2012, 09:42 PM
Re: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by Steve Kaye - 04-24-2012, 10:10 PM
Re: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by Steve Kaye - 04-25-2012, 03:11 PM
Re: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by Steve Kaye - 04-25-2012, 03:25 PM
Re: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by Steve Kaye - 04-25-2012, 08:36 PM
Re: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by Steve Kaye - 04-26-2012, 02:57 PM
Re: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by Steve Kaye - 04-27-2012, 01:50 PM
Re: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by Steve Kaye - 08-05-2012, 02:24 PM
Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by antiochus - 11-07-2014, 02:18 PM
Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by antiochus - 11-08-2014, 01:50 AM
Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by antiochus - 11-11-2014, 02:03 AM
Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by antiochus - 11-18-2014, 07:54 AM
Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by antiochus - 11-20-2014, 02:37 AM
Calling all armchair generals! Boudica\'s Last Stand. - by antiochus - 11-25-2014, 08:29 AM
RE: Calling all armchair generals! Boudica's Last Stand. - by Owein Walker - 09-13-2022, 04:49 PM

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