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Calling all armchair generals! Boudica's Last Stand.
(08-11-2019, 09:16 PM)John1 Wrote: an entirely unreasonable and offensive statement on the thread

You seem to have your offence bar set very low today! But I wasn't even referring specifically to your ideas - I just meant that Paulinus would have had to use the ground available wherever he happened to be - he was 'compelled, contrary to his judgment' to fight the battle (Dio), so he didn't have loads of time to select his perfect spot.


(08-11-2019, 09:16 PM)John1 Wrote: it's garrison alerted as it had been prepared in part as a central depot in the preceding years.

Both garrison and 'depot' are your own hypotheses though...


(08-11-2019, 09:16 PM)John1 Wrote: Find some points that Tring outguns CS on, I haven't found any yet but then again I'm not looking.

Isn't this what we have been discussing here for over nine years now?


(08-11-2019, 09:16 PM)John1 Wrote: is hawthorn such a challenge

I was thinking more of this sort of thing. Granted, I have not attempted to forge through it while outrunning groundsmen and gamekeepers...

   

(pic from Streetview, about 800 yards from New Ground)

(08-11-2019, 09:16 PM)John1 Wrote: your should apply a loose version of the Kaye test, is there a credible source of water? there is at CS with the ironstone spring line.

New Ground appeared very high on Steve Kaye's list of sites, as did Tring Station I think.

If we are including springs then the north-western escarpment of the Chilterns has dozens of them. There are at least three around Dunstable.
Nathan Ross
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John1 Wrote:So how does that differ from supporting Nathan or Deryk?

It's simple, really. I think that the area makes sense strategically but I have not decided on a specific site yet. I will consider Nathan and Deryk's suggestions on the ground and perhaps come up with some ideas of my own and then post my conclusions.

John1 Wrote:The visits make this game a far richer experience, enjoy it,

Absolutely. I intend to.
Michael King Macdona

And do as adversaries do in law, -
Strive mightily, but eat and drink as friends.
(The Taming of the Shrew: Act 1, Scene 2)
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offence bar - just egging you on..... any bar very welcome today.

Garrison and depot - yeah mine but it's good isn't it..... well ok I nicked the idea from this place; 
https://historicengland.org.uk/services-...n-bec-7257

Picture - this is edge vegetation where the light can get to the plants, the deeper woods wouldn't have this kind of growth under the main canopy

Kaye test - sounds like you passed that one then
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I've sure you've all been looking at topographic-map.com for months and years, but it's new to me: coloured topographic mapping of the UK, overlaid on a street map.

Here's New Ground, for example. And here's Church Stowe.

Endless fun! I've already found about three new sites that look very interesting... [Image: smile.png]
Nathan Ross
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https://vimeo.com/316624521 noted for reference only, not for discussion here..... (edited in response to the post below)
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John1 Wrote:https://vimeo.com/316624521

Oh dear. I think this may turn this thread into what is happening on RAT Facebook, which is discussing movies about the Romans. As to where the historical battle took place, I think you guys are about 50 posts from finding the answer. So keep up the good work.
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https://www.academia.edu/36450824/The_cu..._with_Rome
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John1 Wrote:https://www.academia.edu/36450824/The_cu..._with_Rome

He seems to take a long time to say very little. If Prasutagus was a client king, as I have always understood him to have been, you would expect the Iceni and Rome to be on relatively friendly terms, if that is his point. And there are some silly mistakes - 'Cambden', 'Legio XI Hispania' and a reference to the Solent when he presumably means the Wash (unless there is a Solent in Norfolk that I don't know about, of course). It is that sort of carelessness that makes one doubt his scholarship as a whole.
Michael King Macdona

And do as adversaries do in law, -
Strive mightily, but eat and drink as friends.
(The Taming of the Shrew: Act 1, Scene 2)
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Renatus Wrote:

It's simple, really. I think that the area makes sense strategically but I have not decided on a specific site yet. I will consider Nathan and Deryk's suggestions on the ground and perhaps come up with some ideas of my own and then post my conclusions.

Michael if you are still visiting the Tring area it might be also worth visiting Ivinghoe Beacon and looking out between there and towards Whipsnade Zoo (you can see the chalk lion on the hill) to where the Brythons may have been gathered.

This sight does seem to have many of the attributes needed for a strong defence and apart from a river meets all the criteria set out by Steve but does have springs in the local area.

It also effectively sits on the Icknield Way.

I was mightily impressed with the area when I was there a few weeks ago.

PS: John thanks for the recent recordings - excellent summation....
Deryk
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Theoderic Wrote:Michael if you are still visiting the Tring area it might be also worth visiting Ivinghoe Beacon and looking out between there and towards Whipsnade Zoo (you can see the chalk lion on the hill) to where the Brythons may have been gathered.

I think that you suggested this site in your post of 15 September 2018. My feeling at the time was that it pointed the wrong way, as it would require the rebels to be approaching from the north. I was also dubious about the Pitstone site that you suggested in the same post but, on reflection, perhaps that merits more attention than I credited it with at first sight.
Michael King Macdona

And do as adversaries do in law, -
Strive mightily, but eat and drink as friends.
(The Taming of the Shrew: Act 1, Scene 2)
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Renatus wrote:

My feeling at the time was that it pointed the wrong way

I have been a little confused by the statement that the Chivery Top site and the Ivinghoe Beacon site are facing the wrong way.

The Chivery Top site faces side on to  Akeman Street and the defile is in a position where it can only be approached from the front. The Brythons could come from the North the South the West or the East of the country but can only approach the Roman front line straight on because of the topography.

The same is true of Ivinghoe Beacon with its steeply sloping sides so the battle line can only be approached from the front.

It does depend on interpretation of the texts but it seems that the whole country was up in arms so as it is implied that not only was Paulinus (with the refugees)  being pursued by the Brythons chasing them from London and St Albans but that also he was exposed to ambush along the road as long as he was travelling.

His comments regarding his concern about protecting his rear and ensuring that the enemy was only at his front would also reinforce the view that he was expecting to be attacked from more than one direction and possibly by more than one force. 

Therefore it would be essential that he chose a site that could only be attacked from one direction and therefore couldn't rely on just blocking of a through route.
Deryk
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