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A Legionary of the Marcomannic Wars.
#46
Quote:Unfortunately I don't own Simon James' book on Dura yet. Its price tag is still well beyond my budget. The only report I actually own on Dura is a copy of the report on the siege mines from the original final report series, published (if I recall correctly, off the top of my head) in the late 1960s. Therefore, I have not actually seen pictures of the plates you mention. If however they closely resemble ones in this image (again courtesy of Mike Bishop), then they will almost vertainly be pugio sheaths.
http://s129.photobucket.com/albums/p239 ... fig104.png
Other than the ones you mention, I am not aware of any other copper-alloy pugio sheaths of third century date, but given that some first century AD sheaths were of copper-alloy rather than the more common iron, and helmets could be of either iron or copper-alloy, I see no reason why there might not be copper-alloy sheaths of third century date. If, however the plates you mention are not sheaths as such but something which might be thought to have been attached to a sheath, I would have to say that I would be dubious as to the identification as parts of pugio sheaths. I have seen many fragments of metal described in the past as plates form Roman dagger sheaths which were actually nothing of the sort. Unfortunately there is a widespread misconception that some first century AD dagger sheaths featured attached copper alloy plates, riveted to the iron sheath. This misconception (and all of the incorrect reconstructions which have arisen from it) is based on a mistaken interpretation of a line drawing of a silver inlaid iron sheath from Kempton about twenty years ago by Michael Simkins. So far I know of no evidence for these sheaths with applied copper-alloy plates. However, I have not had the chance to see Simon James' book so do you know if the plates you mention were associated with daggers or not. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to the shape and context of the plates. If you could illustrate them that would be even better.
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A pugio is a dagger by the way, in answer to your question, although just to be confusing, in the later empire a number of other types of dagger came into use which do not resemble earlier pugios and are therefore not called pugios (by modern commentators at any rate).
Crispvs

Hello Crispus,

My apologies for not posting these images from James' book sooner :oops: . I'm very curious to know what you make of them.

Here are the pieces which were found and the descriptions:
[url:387ljhr8]http://picasaweb.google.com/107847424109033033447/PublicAlbum#5517954243858677650[/url]

I'd be grateful for any light you might be able to shed on them.

Best,

Gaius
L.E. Pearson
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#47
Thanks Paul. This is the buckle I'm looking at right now:

http://medievalwares.com/index.php?main ... cts_id=232

I'll be a little more confident about this choice now Big Grin

Adam Oswalt
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#48
Ah - I see what you mean now. Yes, they are parts from the lower ends of dagger sheaths, but they are not from the sheaths of 'pugios' (in the generally accepted sense of the term). They are of one of the other types which I referred to and unfortunately I know very little about this type of dagger and sheath. To be honest, I hadn't actually realised until now that that type of dagger was in use that early.
I notice that the pieces have been identified by 'M Bishop'. I assume that this would mean Mike Bishop, who is of course a member of RAT, so it might be worth asking him as he may well know a good deal more than I do about this type of dagger and sheath.

Crispvs
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#49
They were in use from the 2nd to the 4th cent i believe. I have one version made by Erik Konig, very nice piece.
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
[b]Legio XIIII GMV. (Q. Magivs)RMRS Remember Atuatuca! Vengence will be ours!
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#50
Quote:They were in use from the 2nd to the 4th cent i believe. I have one version made by Erik Konig, very nice piece.

I'd love to take a look at it. Might it be possible for you to post a photo of it at some point? Smile

Thanks,

Gaius
L.E. Pearson
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#51
This is a photo from the website, Replik-online.de..

I'll probably get in trouble for copyright infringement, but, I recommend him.
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
[b]Legio XIIII GMV. (Q. Magivs)RMRS Remember Atuatuca! Vengence will be ours!
Titus Flavius Germanus
Batavian Coh I
Byron Angel
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#52
Quote:This is a photo from the website, Replik-online.de..

I'll probably get in trouble for copyright infringement, but, I recommend him.

Wow, that is really sweet. Do you feel the envy emanating from across the Atlantic Ocean... :mrgreen:

Gaius
L.E. Pearson
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#53
Well, posibly. But there is enough bad karma coming my way, it could be drowned out by that!
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
[b]Legio XIIII GMV. (Q. Magivs)RMRS Remember Atuatuca! Vengence will be ours!
Titus Flavius Germanus
Batavian Coh I
Byron Angel
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#54
Apologies for some thread necromancy here, but I wondered if Radka had gotten anywhere with her Marcomannic impression at all? There are so few of the about...!

Any updates?
Paul Elliott

Legions in Crisis
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/17815...d_i=468294

Charting the Third Century military crisis - with a focus on the change in weapons and tactics.
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#55
Hi PPaul,
No, I have not done much on it yet :-( This is not my main impression and I have other hobbies besides Roman reenactment. So, I have only been getting small items and such.

So I have the following:
closed boots, hand made socks, hand stitched tunica (unbleached), hand stitched and died scarf, waist - sash and leg wrappings, paenula cloak with small silver fibulae, hand stitched subarmalis (without pteriges), pilum, scutum, late Roman pugio, brass greaves and some personal items.

But I still need an armor, sword and, belt and helmet. It might take a year to put it all together.

As the helmet I would like to buy an Imperial Italic H (brass type) from Deepeeka, the armor schould be the Newstead type lorica segmentata (from local craftsman), instead of a generic gladius I plan the ring - pommel sword (forged by another local guy) and I will buy the belt parts fro´m Adrian Wink and complete it at home.


One of the reasons it is taking this long is that I am also interested in American civil war reenactment and modern US army.

best regards from Prague
Radka Hlavacova A.K.A Titvs Iventivs Martivs
Tesserarivs Legio IIII FF
Castra Romana, Czech republic
"Concordia militvm"
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#56
Good luck Tita!
I look forward to seeing your ring pommel sword!
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
[b]Legio XIIII GMV. (Q. Magivs)RMRS Remember Atuatuca! Vengence will be ours!
Titus Flavius Germanus
Batavian Coh I
Byron Angel
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