What about those skirts?

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Not at all(dresses , woman, dresses), the tunics are warm........
just the cold wind on the bare legs can be chilly!!! :wink:
But even then, only when standing about a lot.

[garrelt]

Found the picture where I was looking for and refering to.

Roman Military Clothing (1)
By Graham Sumner
Page 42
"Detail of a relief in Rome showing a sacrificial scene from the time of Marcus Aurelius. The attendant is dressed exactly as similar military attendants are shown as on Trajan's Column."

Below the picture.

[john m roberts]

That is the attendant who stuns the sacrificial animal with a blow to the head with his hammer just before the priest cuts its throat. Since his clothing is guaranteed to get bloody it makes sense that he'd wear something intended to be taken off and washed or discarded as soon as the ritual was over. No sense getting your good, expensive toga drenched.

[garrelt]

John

No offence but regardles of the function of the person, It is a male person wearing a skirt like garment.

After a battle every soldier wants get into clean, dry clothes as soon as possible.
Past or present.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

It also appears he is wearing some type of trouser tucked into his boots. :?

[garrelt]

Could be wearing a pair of trousers with feet attached like the Thorsberg trousers.
To bad it is in black and white and not in its original painted colours.

The reconstruction of this picture could look like this:
A bare chested male wearing low boots or high shoes, a pair of toursers and a skirt like garment or apron with a cloth sash worn as a belt.

[Crispvs]

I think it more likely (assuming that we are not looking simply at wear on the stone) that he is wearing hose of some sort. Something possibly similar is shown on a situla from Praenetse, which presently in Berlin and dates I believe to the late third century BC. If this is correct, there could be some sort of ritual function associated with such garments, much in the same way that particular hats went with particular ritual functions.

Crispvs

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

I think it more likely (assuming that we are not looking simply at wear on the stone) that he is wearing hose of some sort. Something possibly similar is shown on a situla from Praenetse, which presently in Berlin and dates I believe to the late third century BC. If this is correct, there could be some sort of ritual function associated with such garments, much in the same way that particular hats went with particular ritual functions.

Crispvs

HOSE? hock: :lol:
Well i suppose it could be a crack in the left leg too, but it seems to be a seam in some sort of leg of a trouser.
Why hose though? That was very medieval.....what is the age of this relief?

[M. Demetrius]

To my eye, it just looks like a tunic folded down (with the top part on the inside) held up by a belt. It could be just a tube of cloth, I suppose, or perhaps even something like a sagum or other blanket with its edges out of sight. The large fringe makes me think it's a heavy cloth, not a thin garment cloth.

When that photo is fully enlarged, the line that looks like a seam in the small view doesn't look so convincing any more. There are no wrinkles at the top of the folded-down boot/shoe, which evidently is made from soft leather, and has a securing strap across the instep. Not entirely like an officer's military boot, but appears to have a closed toe more or less like a calceus of some kind or other. Looking at things more closely, while it's clear the boots come up and fold back down, the appearance doesn't demand any kind of trousers at all. It's not generally possible to make them so tight they would have no telltale wrinkling at the boot top, and still be able to get them on.

I think I'd vote for no trousers, unusual boots, and a kilt-like wraparound with a narrow sash somehow secured out of the visible area. It is, however, a drawing of a sculpture, so it's not for sure what the original sculpture really looks like, or if the original genuinely followed the real person. It would be helpful to see a PHOTO of the sculpture, though. Hard to know what the artist added for whatever effect, or if he copied erosion or damage lines on the sculpture and they look like seams.

So there's another opinion.

[Crispvs]

I'm inclined to agree with you actually.

Crispvs

[Graham Sumner]

Hi

I think I'd vote for no trousers, unusual boots, and a kilt-like wraparound with a narrow sash somehow secured out of the visible area. It is, however, a drawing of a sculpture, so it's not for sure what the original sculpture really looks like, or if the original genuinely followed the real person. It would be helpful to see a PHOTO of the sculpture, though. Hard to know what the artist added for whatever effect, or if he copied erosion or damage lines on the sculpture and they look like seams.

I did this particular drawing and looked at several other examples, for instance on Trajan's Column and never once thought they were wearing trousers. Amazing how people see different things!

There are plenty of photos available of these attendants if you want to check.

Damage does occur on this type of thing. Often on the legs and sometimes making it look like the person has bracae, boot or socks etc.... Surviving colour now and then would have course help. Nevertheless tight fitting hose like trousers can not be ruled out, as some are shown in a modern painted copy of a wall painting from Pompeii which shows a Hoplomachus wearing some that are white with red decorations.

Graham.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Hi

I think I'd vote for no trousers, unusual boots, and a kilt-like wraparound with a narrow sash somehow secured out of the visible area. It is, however, a drawing of a sculpture, so it's not for sure what the original sculpture really looks like, or if the original genuinely followed the real person. It would be helpful to see a PHOTO of the sculpture, though. Hard to know what the artist added for whatever effect, or if he copied erosion or damage lines on the sculpture and they look like seams.

I did this particular drawing and looked at several other examples, for instance on Trajan's Column and never once thought they were wearing trousers. Amazing how people see different things!

There are plenty of photos available of these attendants if you want to check.

Damage does occur on this type of thing. Often on the legs and sometimes making it look like the person has bracae, boot or socks etc.... Surviving colour now and then would have course help. Nevertheless tight fitting hose like trousers can not be ruled out, as some are shown in a modern painted copy of a wall painting from Pompeii which shows a Hoplomachus wearing some that are white with red decorations.

Graham.

Yes, it helps to have seen the actual item. The reason I was going for some sort of footed trouser is, if it were a tighter fitted hose, you would expect there to be more musculature definition, like the torso, as opposed to the fabric looking appearance of the legs.
The eye of the beholder I guess... :lol:

[Tim Edwards]

So all you big tough blokes are finding skirts a bit cold, are you ?

Nope! The answer is layers...
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[rusty myers]

I have also found that as long as ones heart is warm, the extremities stay "comfortable"... until frostbite sets in! In other words if my upper body is toasty warm, the rest of me follows!

[Paullus Scipio]

Just as a matter of interest, Seutonius records that the first Emperor, Octavian/Augustus was very averse to the cold and was recorded as wearing up to seven (!) tunics in winter.....and this in Rome ! hock: