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Newstead Lorica Segmentata
#1
Has anyone got a pattern for the manufacture of a Newstead lorica segmentata, or tell me where i can get one? I have seen the pattern for the Corbridge 'A' on Armour Archive, and as excellent as it is, i would like something a bit different...
Hope someone can help.
//Adrian Petersson
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#2
The books Lorica Segmentata 1 & 2 are available online. See [url:173qhhz6]http://www.mcbishop.co.uk/loricaseg/book.htm[/url]
I would say that would the place to start.
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#3
Adrian, if you are to be portraying Trajanic period soldiers it may be just outside your period. The Newstead type cuirass is generally thought to have been in use from 120-130 onwards IIRC (Mike B will no doubt correct me here!)

Imperium Ancient Armory supply them..
http://www.imperiumancientarmory.com/Bo ... Lorica.htm
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#4
Legio VI Victrix also has great information on the Newstead lorica.

http://www.legionsix.org/Equipment/Basi ... rticle.htm

Hmm, that page seems to have lost its text, but maybe a different browser would work... Oh, my own Legio XX site has a page on the Newstead,

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/newstlor.html

and it will lead you to Mike Bishop's old page,

http://www.mcbishop.co.uk/jrmes/j1001.htm

Be aware that there are several sites that have scans of the old Connolly drawings from Robinson, but those plans are outdated. They lack the hinges, and the girdle plate fastenings are wrong.

Happy armoring!

Matthew
Matthew Amt (Quintus)
Legio XX, USA
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#5
Cheers,that's great. I was under the impression that the 'A' model was no longer in use by Trajan's time. If that's wrong its a pity, because that Newstead armour is the dog's danglies!!
Confusedhock:
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#6
Corbridge A, B and (with a slight variation on one plate) C type were all found in the Corbridge box of metal scrap!

All contemporary it would appear. Dating on the Corbridge hoard; the box came from amongst the central range of admin buildings of one of the early forts underlying the later Roman town and probably dates to between AD 122 and 138 (Allason-Jones and Bishop 1988). That places it slap-bang in the middle of Hadrian's reign.
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#7
Aah...oh well. Shame. I had a gander at the link you posted, and it's really quite impressive. I'll have to nag the lads into changing to Hadrianic! :lol:
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Quote:Cheers,that's great. I was under the impression that the 'A' model was no longer in use by Trajan's time. If that's wrong its a pity, because that Newstead armour is the dog's danglies!!
Confusedhock:

Well I've never heard it called that before! The Corbridge type (it is better to view the whole A B C thing as variants, particularly the B/C), based on the evidence from Spain, continues into the early 4th century AD in at least one part of the empire, as does the the Newstead type. That Newstead type was seeing active service (to the extent that it had been damaged and repaired) in Carlisle in the Hadrianic period (as Adrian W correctly pointed out) so, just as the Kalkriese type wasn't invented the day before the Varusschlacht, you can expect the Newstead to have been around for an indeterminate period beforehand and it may even turn out to be Trajanic after all (thus proving Robinson right... for the wrong reasons).

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#9
Blimey charlie! This is a proper minefield, and no mistake. Just so anyone not familiar with the vagueries of english slang is reading, "the dog's danglies" is just another way of saying something is very good, although personally i have always wondered why the testicular area of a dog should be used as a metaphor for that :lol:
Well, anyway, it's useful to know this, and i think for the sake of simplicity, we'll stick to the tried and tested if we're going to buy or make segmentata. Just so i know i haven't got it wrong, is the pattern on Armour Archive considered to be okay?
//Adrian Petersson
"i may not agree with what you say, sir, but i will defend to the death your right to say it"
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#10
Quote: Just so i know i haven't got it wrong, is the pattern on Armour Archive considered to be okay?
//Adrian Petersson

Since it's the one on Matt Amt's Legio XX website, it's pretty good. Doubt I could do better.

Mike Bishop
You know my method. It is founded upon the observance of trifles

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#11
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Adrian Petersson:1i3yp5mj Wrote:Just so i know i haven't got it wrong, is the pattern on Armour Archive considered to be okay?
//Adrian Petersson

Since it's the one on Matt Amt's Legio XX website, it's pretty good. Doubt I could do better.

Mike Bishop

Gosh, I'm blushing!! Yeah, that's my stuff, but I've done a few minor upgrades to the page that all came from, so better to go to the source:

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/lorica.html

My patterns are indeed the same, though I've added options for the shoulder guards:

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/lorpat.html

SOME day I might even finish my own Newstead lorica! Valete,

Matthew

EDIT: Actually, my patterns were made from Mike Bishop's drawings in the Corbridge excavation report, so he gets the credit and thanks anyway! I but stand on the shoulders of giants.
Matthew Amt (Quintus)
Legio XX, USA
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#12
Quote:Actually, my patterns were made from Mike Bishop's drawings in the Corbridge excavation report, so he gets the credit and thanks anyway! I but stand on the shoulders of giants.

And I must come clean, they were not my drawings but those of Miriam Daniels, widow of Charles Daniels (who spent so many years patiently piecing together the remains of the Corbridge Hoard and who deserves 50% of the credit, alongside Robinson, for reconstructing it). We all stand on the shoulders of giants; it is the nature of the business.

Mike Bishop
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Blogging, tweeting, and mapping Hadrian\'s Wall... because it\'s there
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#13
Wow...that's pretty comprehensive. Thanks very much to everyone who contributed!
//Adrian Petersson
"i may not agree with what you say, sir, but i will defend to the death your right to say it"
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