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Massagetean heavy cavalry in Gaugamela?
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Quote:I have some Russian language articles regarding the times and area so I will look for some info amongst them - meantime do peruse the website - http://kronk.narod.ru/library.htm
Saka warrior armament http://militera.lib.ru/h/korolev_k/13.gif
Pazyrskij Saka http://history.novosibdom.ru/files/u9/sibir_85.jpg
Armor from the Altai V-III century BC http://new.hist.asu.ru/skif/fotos/pub/051.gif

Maybe you could help me with this. I've seen Solov'ev's reconstruction of an armoured Pazyryk warrior before, but what is his source? I've done a lot of research on Pazyryk warrior burials, consulting many Russian sources, but I've yet to find an example of scale armour which has been discovered in the Altai between the 5th and 3rd c. BC. The only example I know if is a tiny plate dating from the 7th-6th c. BC which Gorelik published in his "Oruzhie Drevnego Vostoka" (Pl. LVI, 12). What evidence are those reconstructions of cuirasses based on?
Czolem,
I am not sure I caa help but about the source used for the Saka Chief in the reconstruction above:
Soloviev says that he used the royal Pazirik burials, form Verh-Kaljin kurgan, and generally from the finds in the kurgans of Ukok Plateu - lately Polosmak, the author fof Pazirik costume book, wrote her book about that titled Vsadniki Ukoka, I unfortunately do not have the book, only read about it.
Anyway, Solov'ev writes that Altai warriors used mostly felt, wood and bone for their armor, and that did not survive well or at all, but that they were influenced by the metal armor from China and from Central Asia, Chorezm etc. This particular warriors is based on the Paziirk kurgans, Ulandrik, and from the Akh-Allah river valley. The reddish-golden cuirass is made out of rectangular copper plates tied with leather thongs as seen the Chinese armor tradition, sort of shown in the Gorbunov article.

this is the whole article Gorbunov about the armor of the Upper Altai in the early Iron Age - http://new.hist.asu.ru/skif/pub/skep/GORBYUNOV.HTML
interesting article by Polosmak about warrior helmet from Altai, seen in the Solov'ev reconstruction http://new.hist.asu.ru/skif/pub/skep/pol.html

I have a reconstruction of a Massagetaen warrior drawn and described in detail by an archaeologist whose book may be published next year, and the reconstruction itself is a big compilation of the archaeological finds and iconographic sources, I did a drawing of it so I could show it here with all the notes regarding what is what etc (got to prepare it etc). Orlat plate plays not a small role there. But also all the sources you shown above as well.
Hope it helps
bachmat66 (Dariusz T. Wielec)
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Massagetean heavy cavalry in Gaugamela? - by aqd - 11-04-2009, 05:11 PM
Re: Massagetean heavy cavalry in Gaugamela? - by bachmat66 - 11-08-2009, 05:05 PM

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