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I don't know if this terms was ever used by romans. The only fact is that in the academic world, speaking of roman times, "oriental" or "eastern" identify what is located in such regions (from Egypt to Romania). It is probably a standard used by scholars.
As example the christian religion is considered an "oriental" religion because it has its origins in Judaea. The same for the Isis cult native from Egypt. Etc. etc.
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Hello,
despite the quasi-terroristic threat on everyone posting or taking pictures of the "Armatura della Colchide", I've found three pictures of it, just surfing the web.
So, hoping to give some help to the colleagues in the Forum, the pictures can be found on these URLs; please see my following post, with working links
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I get 404 not found errors on all those links, unfortunately.
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The more I look at those pictures the more the uncanny reembalence to the Ribchester? helmet strikes me......
And those close ups really yell fake at me....
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Hello,
I thin I agree with GJC's opinion and I would like to add how strange it appears the patina (typical of copper alloys, long exposed to atmosphaeric and weather... let's say open-air, rain, light, etc.), of a type nobody would expect from a find coming from a tomb, or anyway of an unearthed artifact made of copper alloy, either bronze or brass (better, oricalchus).
Another strange thing are those remains of "mud" inside the engravings, more visible in the picture of the helmet's rear.
Besides the style and the themes of the embossed ornamentation, i think that the patina too, has a bad appearance, closer to a fake than to an excavated original.
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Quote:The more I look at those pictures the more the uncanny reembalence to the Ribchester? helmet strikes me......
And those close ups really yell fake at me....
So your suggesting that the Ribchester helmet is a fake too then byron!  hock:
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Quote:So your suggesting that the Ribchester helmet is a fake too then byron! hock:
Graham.
I think he thought the fake-maker used the Ribchester helmet as the "masterpiece" to be copied.
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Hello,
actually, the Ribchester helmet could have been used as an iconographic repertorium: a good point.
Besides that, what surprises me is that the patina of the "Colchis' Armour" is not credible: impossible to see on excavated artifacts made of copper alloys.
Now, silence has fallen on most discussions about the armour (in Italy, I mean). Ok, one reason could be that it's a boring topic, after weeks of pro autem contra talks, and because there are very few pictures available, besides what we have here. I can say that on this Forum there are more images than on any Italian page dealing with this armour.
The book "L'Armatura Perduta" is worth to be bought, because I think that also wrong texts should be present in anyone's specialized library. I can adjective it hilarious.
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Quote:The book "L'Armatura Perduta" is worth to be bought, because I think that also wrong texts should be present in anyone's specialized library. I can adjective it hilarious.
As long as it stands in the comics & humour section of your library.
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Sorry to say, I don't keep it in my comics & humour section...
I'm sorry that an otherwise serious scholar could have written such a package of nonsense. Perhaps it has been one of the secondary effects of the swine flu.
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Quote:Now, silence has fallen on most discussions about the armour (in Italy, I mean)
Right, silence has fallen here in Italy, simply because that weaponary is not interesting. Everyone can realize it is a fake, so ...why to talk about it?
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Yes, I could agree, if the armour would have been taken to Italy, discussed in a close circle of scholars, detected as what it actually is -a fake- and left in a closet or sold at a curiosity auction.
On the opposite, it was celebrated as the find of the century, it took the energies (and financial support) of an university with its departments and laboratories, it was shown on TV (although during a science-fiction-oriented programme), it was publicly exhibited following to a quasi-inernational congress about the Roman presence in Dacia and western Asia, it was announced that it will be studied and published from a team of worldwide-known experts...
Yes, the best could let silence and oblivion fall on this story, but in my opinion, this wouldn't avoid that similar stories would happen again.
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could be strange, but (up to opinon and experience) the main part of historican and archaelogist are not able to identify fake weapons.
A lot of them study marble, staute, architecture an so on, but here in Italy almost none study ancient weapons.
Often they know everything about a temple but in the meantime have not idea what an imperial-gallic helmet is, or a maiz gladius, or a pugio.
In this case, identify a fake is quite impossible for that kynd of historicans.
By the way, I know that University of Ferrara deny that they had researchs in that area.
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Quote:could be strange, but (up to opinon and experience) the main part of historican and archaelogist are not able to identify fake weapons.
A lot of them study marble, staute, architecture an so on, but here in Italy almost none study ancient weapons.
Often they know everything about a temple but in the meantime have not idea what an imperial-gallic helmet is, or a maiz gladius, or a pugio.
I don't agree with you totally. There have been a lot of extensive studies on this subject, by Russel-Robinson, Bishop, Coulston, Miks and Obmann, just to name a few. What is for cetrain is that these are very specialistic studies and it seems that there still are different markets with language barriers. Sometimes I get the impression that the French, Italian and German/English market do interact with each other too less. These studies are done, but some are in English, some in German, some in French. You have to locate them first and then being able to read them, which could be another problem.
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