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Greek helmets galore
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10-01-2009, 12:37 AM
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MeinPanzer:trm6v0x6 Wrote:Going back a page, could you give some more information on this helmet? Is it one from the Guttmann collection? Also, if it lacks a frontlet, how can it be composed of seven pieces? Wouldn't it be a six-piece helmet then?

This helmet is published in: A. d’Amicis u. a., Catalogo del Museo Nazionale Archeologico di Taranto 1, 3. Atleti e Guerrieri. Tradizioni aristocratiche a Taranto tra VI. e V. Sec. A. C. (1997) Nr. 119.2
It was found in a tomb near Canosa. It has a "Stirnbügel" (frontlet?), but no "Stirnschirm" (visor?). Concerning the hellenistic helmets, frontlet and visor are composed out of one piece. This helmet from Canosa has a frontlet, but instead a visor, there is a plain area directly above the forehead. This plain area and the frontlet are one piece, analogous to the frontlet and the visor.

I see, thanks!

Quote:I've found images!
Look, there's a triangle-piece and the neck-guard is also a separate piece!

Where is this helmet from?

Quote:Here! Found on the net ...

Thanks a lot for posting this. Given your previous statement that it was unlike any Hellenistic helmet you've ever seen, I'm a little let down, I have to admit! It just looks like a standard Attic with a small Boeotian brim. Very nice find, nonetheless, which seems to be in pretty good condition. A brand new hybrid to confound further attempts at helmet classification.

Quote:Can anyone of you submit me the paper: E. Jarva, In search of Xenophon's ideal helmet. An alternate view of the kranos boiotourges?

I have a copy. Send me a PM.
Ruben

He had with him the selfsame rifle you see with him now, all mounted in german silver and the name that he\'d give it set with silver wire under the checkpiece in latin: Et In Arcadia Ego. Common enough for a man to name his gun. His is the first and only ever I seen with an inscription from the classics. - Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian
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Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 03:09 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-23-2009, 05:32 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 05:59 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-23-2009, 06:44 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 08:04 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 08:23 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 08:30 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 03:25 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 03:36 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 11:11 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 11:18 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Jasper Oorthuys - 09-24-2009, 11:28 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 11:41 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 11:43 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 11:46 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Jasper Oorthuys - 09-24-2009, 11:56 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by caiusbeerquitius - 09-24-2009, 01:08 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-24-2009, 04:40 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 05:59 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 06:17 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 07:47 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 08:17 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-24-2009, 09:54 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 09:57 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 09-24-2009, 10:18 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 10:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-25-2009, 01:24 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-25-2009, 02:01 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-25-2009, 03:06 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-25-2009, 04:27 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-25-2009, 04:32 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 09-25-2009, 12:01 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-25-2009, 12:34 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Matt Lukes - 09-25-2009, 02:47 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-25-2009, 05:03 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-25-2009, 05:48 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-25-2009, 06:35 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-25-2009, 06:41 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-25-2009, 09:38 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 09-25-2009, 09:58 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 09-25-2009, 10:06 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-26-2009, 05:07 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-26-2009, 06:29 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-26-2009, 08:48 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-26-2009, 08:50 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-26-2009, 08:54 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-27-2009, 01:56 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-27-2009, 12:00 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-27-2009, 06:08 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-28-2009, 10:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-28-2009, 11:10 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-29-2009, 11:25 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-30-2009, 03:44 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Ghostmojo - 09-30-2009, 07:27 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-30-2009, 04:42 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 05:58 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 06:02 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-30-2009, 06:23 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 06:36 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-30-2009, 07:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 08:24 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 09:59 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 10:18 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-01-2009, 12:37 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Ghostmojo - 10-01-2009, 08:41 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 10:36 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 12:57 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-01-2009, 04:01 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 04:20 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-01-2009, 05:34 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 05:58 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 10-01-2009, 06:01 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 10-01-2009, 06:20 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-01-2009, 07:01 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 07:21 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-01-2009, 07:51 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-01-2009, 07:53 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-01-2009, 11:54 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-02-2009, 12:12 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-02-2009, 01:12 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 10-02-2009, 09:27 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-08-2009, 08:20 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-08-2009, 08:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-09-2009, 10:55 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-09-2009, 02:40 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Lýsandros - 10-09-2009, 05:04 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-09-2009, 05:15 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Lýsandros - 10-09-2009, 05:22 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-09-2009, 05:28 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-10-2009, 04:47 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-10-2009, 07:27 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-10-2009, 08:06 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 10-11-2009, 06:49 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 09:27 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Lýsandros - 10-13-2009, 12:15 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-13-2009, 01:35 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Peter Raftos - 10-13-2009, 02:02 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-13-2009, 04:06 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 04:29 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 04:34 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 04:43 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 04:46 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-13-2009, 05:04 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 05:40 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 06:16 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 06:30 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 06:34 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 06:54 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 07:02 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 07:27 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 08:10 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-13-2009, 08:19 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 08:39 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-13-2009, 10:00 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-14-2009, 10:49 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-14-2009, 03:27 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-14-2009, 04:41 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-14-2009, 06:15 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-14-2009, 07:16 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by caiusbeerquitius - 10-14-2009, 07:44 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-14-2009, 08:19 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by caiusbeerquitius - 10-14-2009, 08:30 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-14-2009, 08:37 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-14-2009, 09:35 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-14-2009, 09:48 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-14-2009, 09:57 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-15-2009, 12:34 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Kineas - 10-15-2009, 01:16 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-15-2009, 01:42 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-15-2009, 02:07 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-15-2009, 03:05 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Kineas - 10-15-2009, 03:30 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-15-2009, 04:24 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-15-2009, 05:35 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-15-2009, 07:19 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Kineas - 10-15-2009, 01:20 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-15-2009, 04:33 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by caiusbeerquitius - 10-15-2009, 04:42 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-15-2009, 04:51 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Kineas - 10-15-2009, 07:41 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-15-2009, 08:58 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-23-2009, 04:19 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-24-2009, 12:14 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Matt Lukes - 10-25-2009, 03:35 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-25-2009, 06:59 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Tarbicus - 10-25-2009, 08:06 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PhilusEstilius - 10-25-2009, 08:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Jasper Oorthuys - 10-27-2009, 08:23 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-27-2009, 09:22 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-17-2009, 11:12 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-17-2009, 11:19 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-18-2009, 12:24 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 11-19-2009, 09:18 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-19-2009, 10:13 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 11-20-2009, 12:47 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-20-2009, 01:35 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-20-2009, 01:55 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-20-2009, 04:05 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-21-2009, 02:09 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 11-21-2009, 03:31 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-21-2009, 03:53 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-21-2009, 12:21 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 11-21-2009, 02:40 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 11-21-2009, 02:41 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-21-2009, 02:49 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-22-2009, 07:07 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-22-2009, 07:19 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-22-2009, 01:09 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 11-23-2009, 02:11 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Peter Raftos - 11-23-2009, 08:16 AM
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Re: Greek helmets galore - by Peter Raftos - 04-11-2010, 03:38 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by rocktupac - 04-11-2010, 10:16 AM
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