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Greek helmets galore
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09-24-2009, 09:54 PM
Quote:3) As you rightfully pointed out, the apulo-corinthian helmet wasn't worn over the face, but upturned. I don't think it was this way because of imitating the depicted upturned position of the corinthian helmet, but suitable for another form of battle in the hilly landscape of Italy.

Why couldn't it be both? It seems to me that they wanted an open-faced helmet with a visor, but wanted the Corinthian aesthetic.

Quote:Not many have secure provenances, but mostly it isn't difficult to reconstruct the provenance. ;-) )

A thraco-attic helmet? I think I know which helmet you mean, but I hate this term, because there is absolutely no reason to call them "thracian". These helmets will be subject of a whole study, in which I'll try to prove from the perspective of construction that they are direct descendants of the "normal" attic helmet. My catalogue lists 16 helmets and a couple of fragments.

What term do you prefer? As with most Hellenistic helmets, the terminology varies, but I usually just go with the most commonplace one, as we know by now that so many names are misnomers that it would require a total change of terminology to get it "right." Anyway, are you working with any new or unpublished examples? Which fragmentary examples are you working with? As for your thesis, I thought it was already fairly well-established that they did emerge from the Attic helmet throughout the 4th c. BC (Eero Jarva, at least, posits this).

Also, can you tell me anything about this helmet from the Guttmann collection and its provenance?

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Ruben

He had with him the selfsame rifle you see with him now, all mounted in german silver and the name that he\'d give it set with silver wire under the checkpiece in latin: Et In Arcadia Ego. Common enough for a man to name his gun. His is the first and only ever I seen with an inscription from the classics. - Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian
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Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 03:09 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-23-2009, 05:32 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 05:59 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-23-2009, 06:44 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 08:04 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 08:23 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 08:30 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 03:25 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 03:36 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 11:11 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 11:18 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Jasper Oorthuys - 09-24-2009, 11:28 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 11:41 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 11:43 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 11:46 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Jasper Oorthuys - 09-24-2009, 11:56 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by caiusbeerquitius - 09-24-2009, 01:08 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-24-2009, 04:40 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 05:59 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 06:17 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 07:47 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 08:17 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-24-2009, 09:54 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 09:57 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 09-24-2009, 10:18 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 10:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-25-2009, 01:24 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-25-2009, 02:01 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-25-2009, 03:06 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-25-2009, 04:27 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-25-2009, 04:32 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 09-25-2009, 12:01 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-25-2009, 12:34 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Matt Lukes - 09-25-2009, 02:47 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-25-2009, 05:03 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-25-2009, 05:48 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-25-2009, 06:35 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-25-2009, 06:41 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-25-2009, 09:38 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 09-25-2009, 09:58 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 09-25-2009, 10:06 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-26-2009, 05:07 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-26-2009, 06:29 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-26-2009, 08:48 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-26-2009, 08:50 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-26-2009, 08:54 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-27-2009, 01:56 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-27-2009, 12:00 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-27-2009, 06:08 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-28-2009, 10:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-28-2009, 11:10 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-29-2009, 11:25 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-30-2009, 03:44 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Ghostmojo - 09-30-2009, 07:27 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-30-2009, 04:42 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 05:58 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 06:02 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-30-2009, 06:23 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 06:36 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-30-2009, 07:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 08:24 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 09:59 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 10:18 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-01-2009, 12:37 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Ghostmojo - 10-01-2009, 08:41 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 10:36 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 12:57 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-01-2009, 04:01 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 04:20 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-01-2009, 05:34 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 05:58 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 10-01-2009, 06:01 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 10-01-2009, 06:20 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-01-2009, 07:01 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 07:21 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-01-2009, 07:51 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-01-2009, 07:53 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-01-2009, 11:54 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-02-2009, 12:12 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-02-2009, 01:12 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 10-02-2009, 09:27 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-08-2009, 08:20 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-08-2009, 08:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-09-2009, 10:55 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-09-2009, 02:40 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Lýsandros - 10-09-2009, 05:04 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-09-2009, 05:15 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Lýsandros - 10-09-2009, 05:22 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-09-2009, 05:28 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-10-2009, 04:47 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-10-2009, 07:27 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-10-2009, 08:06 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 10-11-2009, 06:49 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 09:27 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Lýsandros - 10-13-2009, 12:15 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-13-2009, 01:35 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Peter Raftos - 10-13-2009, 02:02 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-13-2009, 04:06 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 04:29 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 04:34 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 04:43 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 04:46 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-13-2009, 05:04 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 05:40 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 06:16 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 06:30 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 06:34 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 06:54 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 07:02 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 07:27 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 08:10 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-13-2009, 08:19 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 08:39 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-13-2009, 10:00 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-14-2009, 10:49 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-14-2009, 03:27 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-14-2009, 04:41 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-14-2009, 06:15 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-14-2009, 07:16 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by caiusbeerquitius - 10-14-2009, 07:44 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-14-2009, 08:19 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by caiusbeerquitius - 10-14-2009, 08:30 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-14-2009, 08:37 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-14-2009, 09:35 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-14-2009, 09:48 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-14-2009, 09:57 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-15-2009, 12:34 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Kineas - 10-15-2009, 01:16 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-15-2009, 01:42 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-15-2009, 02:07 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-15-2009, 03:05 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Kineas - 10-15-2009, 03:30 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-15-2009, 04:24 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-15-2009, 05:35 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-15-2009, 07:19 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Kineas - 10-15-2009, 01:20 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-15-2009, 04:33 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by caiusbeerquitius - 10-15-2009, 04:42 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-15-2009, 04:51 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Kineas - 10-15-2009, 07:41 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-15-2009, 08:58 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-23-2009, 04:19 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-24-2009, 12:14 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Matt Lukes - 10-25-2009, 03:35 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-25-2009, 06:59 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Tarbicus - 10-25-2009, 08:06 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PhilusEstilius - 10-25-2009, 08:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Jasper Oorthuys - 10-27-2009, 08:23 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-27-2009, 09:22 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-17-2009, 11:12 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-17-2009, 11:19 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-18-2009, 12:24 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 11-19-2009, 09:18 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-19-2009, 10:13 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 11-20-2009, 12:47 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-20-2009, 01:35 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-20-2009, 01:55 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-20-2009, 04:05 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-21-2009, 02:09 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 11-21-2009, 03:31 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-21-2009, 03:53 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-21-2009, 12:21 PM
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Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 11-21-2009, 02:41 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-21-2009, 02:49 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-22-2009, 07:07 AM
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Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-22-2009, 01:09 PM
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Re: Greek helmets galore - by Peter Raftos - 11-23-2009, 08:16 AM
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