Nijmegen pattern Caligae

[Robert Vermaat]

I'm confused. In what way are these 'more enclosed' than ordinary caligae?

[Marcus Iulius Chattus]

Me too, Vortigern. They look like my Standart Mainz-Caligae, but my friend think that the forward part are much more enclosed, like that of an Carbatinae.

[jvrjenivs]

These to me also seems just like normal Caligae and I don't know why you would be distinguish them as Cavalry-Caligae. They indeed have a more thight front part, but I wouldn't call that one 'unusual' or special. There seems to be some differences in the front part, which is indeed close to the examples from Mainz.

[Marcus Iulius Chattus]

Hi Jurjen
I didn´t called them as Cavalry-Caligae, my friend done this! I asked only for him, because his english is really bad, much more as my! But, we have a solution. This kind of Caligae is not a special one for Cavalry, only a little bit more enclosed as the standart Caligae. That´s the reason why i´m a member of RAT, to ask things that i didn´t know

[Neuraleanus]

These appear similar to the caligae that I made two years ago:

[url:473o2qxi]http://www.legiotricesima.org/images/MyMainzCaligae.jpg[/url]

These are a variation of the Mainz caliga, but with more toe straps. There was quite a bit of variation of the straps.

[Martin Moser]

Ha, Hartmut send me a pick of mentioned Caligae . Maybe it brings some light in this thread.

It does, indeed. IMHO this is one of the many quite, hm, liberal interpretations of actual finds. I'm still waiting for someone to show me a picture of an original that gives the same relative width for the straps, the spacing, the (in this case in the front straps not existing) cutouts etc.
Not as bad as the infamous trooper helmet ™ ;-) ) by comparison, but still way to go if you look at the real thingies. Sorry ...

[Marcus Iulius Chattus]

n´abend Martin
Okay, next time i contact you direct. I´m not really interested in Roman Shoes. If my actual Caligae are damaged, i go to my sutor, order a new pair and trust him if he say that he make some for me, which are accurate as possible! You know the manikin, that wear this Caligae?

[Neuraleanus]

Martin, on the subject of caligae construction, I found a source of the "flexible steel needles" that you use for doing tunnel stitching:

[url:1oojfr9k]http://www.beadalon.com/BigEyeNeedles.asp[/url]

[Martin Moser]

Hi Marcus,

Okay, next time i contact you direct.

Well, I think it was a good thing you brought it up here to discuss, actually :-) )

You know the manikin, that wear this Caligae?

Hm, no, I don't think so. Why?

[Martin Moser]

Hi Lee,

Martin, on the subject of caligae construction, I found a source of the "flexible steel needles" that you use for doing tunnel stitching:
[url:21jdhupq]http://www.beadalon.com/BigEyeNeedles.asp[/url]

thanks for sharing! Actually I don't use them anymore for more than a year now. I find that a well waxed or pitched thread, thinned out to form a good point, works perfectly well without them.

[Marcus Iulius Chattus]

You know the manikin, that wear this Caligae?

[/quote]Hm, no, I don't think so. Why?[/quote]

@ Martin
I was only interested to take a closer look on this shoes.
I use waxed thread for my handmade Pera, but whitout those flexible needles, and it works really good.

[Arminius Primus]

Ave Fratres,

Just to jump in with a comment that may confuse things more but has at least given me a glimmer of an idea. On a previous thread, on the equipping and appearance of the Speculatores, it was stated that they wore a special boot "caligae speculatore". While no image of that exists, the supposition is that it was a more inclosed form of caligae , in as much as the speculatore spent at least part of his time mounted. Maybe these so called cavalry caligae are the same type or style.

Messing about with horses, I think I would want my toes covered a bit more than the standard caligae that are seen. Boots would have been better yet but maybe that was a cost or style issue. Any more ideas on this?

Regards from a very green and rainy Balkans, Arminius Primus aka Al

[Martin Moser]

Hi Al,

Messing about with horses, I think I would want my toes covered a bit more than the standard caligae that are seen. Boots would have been better yet but maybe that was a cost or style issue. Any more ideas on this?

Well, the rider here seems to echo your opinion:
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:-) )