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Roman Marines
#46
Possible, of course, but in this MSS the Phrygian cap was used to distinguish Trojans from Greeks, the Phrygian cap being an Asian piece of headgear of course. Another image shows both groups:<br>
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Vergil MSS Vat. lat. 3867= Romanus Folio 188, verso:<br>
<img src="http://vergil.classics.upenn.edu/images/3867-188v.gif" style="border:0;"/> <p>Valete,<br>
Valerius/Robert<br>
[url=http://www.fectio.org.uk/" target="top]fectienses seniores[/url]</p><i></i>
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#47
Kind of related:<br>
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Bireme miniature<br>
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PDF side view:<br>
Bireme 2<br>
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Very tasty. <p></p><i></i>
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#48
Kind of. Though I get visions of Ben Hur <p>Greets<br>
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Jasper</p><i></i>
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#49
How are you getting all of these lovely pictures from the Vatican Vergil? I did a google search awhile back and found virtually nothing. The armour from the last picture is so roman looking, third to fourth century I would guess. The cloak over the left shoulder reminds me of the Terentius fresco from Dura Europos. <p></p><i></i>
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#50
I got mine from ist-socrates.berkeley.edu...index.html<br>
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- some great pictures! <p></p><i></i>
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#51
All this talk about marines has made me want to do a marine impression on the side from my regular auxillia one, and it looks like I can use most of my auxillia stuff for it. I'll post a picture of it whenever I get it together.<br>
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Now, time to learn how to say "One Two Three Four I Love Marine Corps" in Latin while doing pushups... <p></p><i></i>
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#52
Legio II Augusta (Britain) have two guys who portray members of the Classis Britannica. Don't think they're on here, are they? <p>Greets<br>
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Jasper</p><i></i>
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#53
"Now, time to learn how to say "One Two Three Four I Love Marine Corps" in Latin while doing pushups..."<br>
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Unus, duo, tres, quattuor cohors epibatavorum amo!<br>
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I think, anyway.<br>
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Crispvs <p></p><i></i>
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#54
Quote:</em></strong><hr>Unus, duo, tres, quattuor cohors epibatavorum amo!<hr><br>
<em>Unus, duo, tres, quattuor, cohortem epibatarum amo!</em><br>
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volgens mij<br>
<p>Greetings<br>
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Rob Wolters</p><i></i>
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#55
Anyone know what type of weapon they would use for boarding? In all the reliefs they have spears, though I think that would be poorly suited to fighting on ships. A gladius on the other hand is perfect as it is about the same size as a cutlass and probably works well in that respect.<br>
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Also, thanks for the help with the latin. <p></p><i></i>
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#56
If you read up through this whole thread, you'll find that the existence of specialized marines at all is very much in doubt.<br>
However, the arms and equipment carried by naval personnel can be reconstructed.<br>
From the letter of Claudius Terentianus, crewman on the Alexandrian fleet, 2nd C AD:<br>
"I ask and beg you, father, for I have no one dear to me except you, after the gods, to send to me by Valerius a battle sword, a . . ., a pickaxe, a grappling iron, two of the best lances obtainable, a cloak of beaver skin(?), and a girdled tunic, together with my trousers, so that I may have them, since I wore out my tunic before I entered the service and my trousers were laid away new. And if you are going to send anything, put an address on everything and describe the distinguishing features to me by letter lest any exchange be made en route. And if you write me a letter, address it: “on the liburnian of Neptune.â€ÂÂ
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#57
Quote:</em></strong><hr>How are you getting all of these lovely pictures from the Vatican Vergil?<hr>Vergilius Romanus: Index of Images From Vergil MSS Vat. lat. 3225 and 3867, at: [url=http://vergil.classics.upenn.edu/images/images.html" target="top]vergil.classics.upenn.edu/images/images.html.[/url]<br>
This MS is thought to date to the 4th c., maybe later, and possibly originated from Britain.<br>
I wrote an article about it:<br>
[url=http://www.vortigernstudies.org.uk/artlit/vergilius.htm" target="top]The Vergilius Romanus: the first British book?[/url]<br>
<p>Valete,<br>
Valerius/Robert<br>
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#58
From Vegetius (writing later) "The falx is the term for a very sharp iron blade curved like a sickle and mounted on long poles. It quickly cuts the rigging from which the yard-arm is suspended and the sails collapse rendering the warship slow and useless. The battle-axe is an axe which has on both sides a very broad and very sharp iron blade,. By means of these in the midst of the heat of battle very skilled sailors or marines secretly cut the adversaries steering-gear. Once this is done the ship is captured immediately, being disarmed and disabled. For what escape is left for him who has lost his rudder?" <p></p><i></i>
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#59
Quote: In all the reliefs they have spears, though I think that would be poorly suited to fighting on ships.<br>
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I used to think the same thing, but after some digging (and shear luck ) I found out that a spear was one of the most useful defensive weapons on board ship. Navies issued spears called boarding pikes up into the age of steam powered steel battle ships. (The last new pattern issued by the Royal Navy was in 1888 and was carried up into the 1900's.) They were excellent for knocking out boarders before they reached the defenders' ship. On the other hand, they weren't as convenient as swords for offensive action as they required 1 hand to carry and 2 to use to maximum potential while a sword could be used with one hand and carried in a manner that left both hands free, very handy when trying to scramble onto a ship.<br>
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Vadormarius/Jim <p></p><i></i>
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#60
Sounds like Vegetius has got his info from Bello Gallico, the fight against the Veneti. Never forget that Vegetius has compiled and often generalises his information from a variety of ancient sources. <p>Greets<br>
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Jasper</p><i></i>
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