Roman Marines

[Praefectusclassis]

They mixed up Cohors I Classica and the Germanic fleet though. Misunderstandings are ubiquitous. <p>Greets<br>
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Jasper</p><i></i>

[L C Cinna]

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[Anonymous]

"What I'd be interested in is the production of orichalcum. Is that easier to make than iron? "<br>
From a coin website "In 23 B.C. Augustus reformed the aes so that fractional denominations were struck in two metals orichalcum or brass (75% copper; 20% zinc; 5% tin) and pure copper. "<br>
Compare with modern brass "Leaded Red Brass is known for its wear resistance, moderate strength, good castability, easy machining (Index of 84) , good corrosion resistance, and interesting appearance. Red Brass is probably the most widely cast brass composition. It is popular for ornamental fixtures because of its deep reddish color. The material is composed of approx. 85% Copper, 5% Lead, 5% Tin, and 5% Zinc. Try 2150 F as a pouring temperature. "<br>
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IIRC Mike Bishop talked in an earlier thread that the ancient alloys were different, but that clever modern forgers melted down Roman orichalcum coins to make an "authentic" helmet.<br>
Any metal-workers/ metallurgists out there who can answer Jasper's question as to whether brass or iron is easier to manufacture? <p></p><i></i>

[Lucius Aurelius Metellus]

That is a gorgeous replica of a Roman warship in the museum! <p>Lucius Aurelius Metellus, draconarius, Secunda Brittanica</p><i></i>

[Flavius Promotus]

It is VERY gorgeous, but - alas - the rigging is an inoperable mock-up and the hull would need a lot of overhauling before you can bathe this beauty in the river Rhine. The steering gear is also faulty.<br>
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On the other hand, the shields look very good, as far as I can tell (no expert on shields I am, Luke!) <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

Looks like a similar model actually got tested on the river!www.vefag.de/<br>
(Look under Romerschiff and then Bauchronik).<br>
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Here are hopefully some pics<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/PaulHB/Lusoria-8.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/PaulHB/LusoriaprojektRegensberg.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
Cheers<br>
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Paulus <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=paulusbrittanicus>Paulus Brittanicus</A> at: 1/9/05 12:03 am<br></i>

[Come in Nighthawk]

Quote:</em></strong><hr> Looks like a similar model actually got tested on the river!<hr>The "Bier Squadron!" Very nifty though! Would have liked to've been there! <p>==========================================<BR><br>
"If there's one thing we don't want to see, it's Americans fighting Americans. I won't stand for it, not here, not anywhere." Sergeant Frank Tree, 10th Armored Division, Saturday, 13 December 1941... a little after 0701 hrs... somewhere near Santa Monica, Calif.</p><i></i>

[Crispvs]

I think I may be correct in thinking that our own Flavius Promotus is actually one of the sailors on board that ship.<br>
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Crispvs <p></p><i></i>

[Flavius Promotus]

You are correct<br>
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Stern oarsman on port to be precise. <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

I do know many carried a long pole with a hook on the end for grippling sails and ripping them off <p></p><i></i>

[Praefectusclassis]

I think that's Caesar's story of how he defeated the Veneti in seabattle. Which means his marines were legionaries. <p>Greets<br>
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Jasper</p><i></i>

[Vadormarius]

Paulus Brittanicus,<br>
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I couldn't make out some of the details in the pictures that you posted from the Vatican Vergil. Could you tell me how the troops were dressed and equipped?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Vadormarius/Jim <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

Good question! The Vatican Vergil is supposed to have strong British influences, but as to detailed equipment all we have is the pictures themselves. As with a lot of Late Roman info, frustratingly incomplete!<br>
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Cheers<br>
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Paulus <p></p><i></i>

[Robert Vermaat]

This one shows a bit more:<br>
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Vergil MSS Vat. lat. 3867= Romanus Folio 77, recto: The Tempest. Aeneid 1.<br>
<img src="http://vergil.classics.upenn.edu/images/3867-077r3.gif" style="border:0;"/> <p>Valete,<br>
Valerius/Robert<br>
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[Anonymous]

Hmmm... oval shields and what look like phyrigian caps. Cilician influences? Still possible at that date? <p>Homo Homini Lupus Every Man is a Wolf to Another Man</p><i></i>