08-10-2009, 02:12 PM
Wow, very long post.
Some remarks:
The Persians call Saka all the iranian nomads also the european scythians, for convention the scholars call scythians those European, and Saces those oriental, subdivided in Massagetae, Daheens, Saces (the tribes near the bactriana), siberians scythians tribes, the kanju zone tribes, possible the wusun/asiens, possible the kushans (no sure the language spoke from this people). The saka (and scythians and sarmatians) languages are told oriental iranian languages, the persian and the mede are western iranian language.
The Alains was probably formed from the mix of sarmatians elements (Aorses?) with new coming Saka elements
The oriental proto-iranian formation area is considerated the andronovo bronze-age culture area at east of Volga just to Ob or Jenissei (depending from the autheur) and central Asia.
For the cimmerians nothing is sure nor the language nor the the ethnic base. Many scholars link the historical cimmerians (which appears only south of Caucasus) with the european steppe iron age cultures of Kamychevakha/Tchornohorivka and Novotcherkassk (born from bronze age Timber-grave culture), but not exist sure element. A theory want the cimmerians are nomadic thracians other they are iranians or they are thracians with a iranian leadership. A interesting theory want that the western iranian (persians and medes) derived from Timber-grave culture and not from Andronovo, and arrive in Iran from steppes north of Caucasus and not from central Asia, so the cimmerians should be the last wave of the same tribe group.
The thracian is considerated a language with links with slavic and baltic languages, not clear the link with the daco-getians languages, probably they are very far dialects of same language or very likely but different languages.
Some remarks:
The Persians call Saka all the iranian nomads also the european scythians, for convention the scholars call scythians those European, and Saces those oriental, subdivided in Massagetae, Daheens, Saces (the tribes near the bactriana), siberians scythians tribes, the kanju zone tribes, possible the wusun/asiens, possible the kushans (no sure the language spoke from this people). The saka (and scythians and sarmatians) languages are told oriental iranian languages, the persian and the mede are western iranian language.
The Alains was probably formed from the mix of sarmatians elements (Aorses?) with new coming Saka elements
The oriental proto-iranian formation area is considerated the andronovo bronze-age culture area at east of Volga just to Ob or Jenissei (depending from the autheur) and central Asia.
For the cimmerians nothing is sure nor the language nor the the ethnic base. Many scholars link the historical cimmerians (which appears only south of Caucasus) with the european steppe iron age cultures of Kamychevakha/Tchornohorivka and Novotcherkassk (born from bronze age Timber-grave culture), but not exist sure element. A theory want the cimmerians are nomadic thracians other they are iranians or they are thracians with a iranian leadership. A interesting theory want that the western iranian (persians and medes) derived from Timber-grave culture and not from Andronovo, and arrive in Iran from steppes north of Caucasus and not from central Asia, so the cimmerians should be the last wave of the same tribe group.
The thracian is considerated a language with links with slavic and baltic languages, not clear the link with the daco-getians languages, probably they are very far dialects of same language or very likely but different languages.
"Each historical fact needs to be considered, insofar as possible, no with hindsight and following abstract universal principles, but in the context of own proper age and environment" Aldo A. Settia
a.k.a Davide Dall\'Angelo
SISMA- Società Italiana per gli Studi Militari Antichi
a.k.a Davide Dall\'Angelo
SISMA- Società Italiana per gli Studi Militari Antichi
