06-04-2009, 10:56 PM
People,that small shield porpax is off center! Indeed it was Christian that brought it to my attention while rushing into the museum (i had to catch up the bus for Thessaloniki). I agree it doesn't mean that the artist didn't make a mistake in placing the shield on that hand(in most statuettes the shield as missing,so i guess they were not made one piece,even though this one has the arm attached). My problem with this is that it is off center the opposite way! All porpakes are off center up and right. this one is down and left! I can't calculate the difference of the angle the photo was taken,but indeed it seemed off center up close. Measure it with a ruler. In any case,there is most strong evidence for the off centered porpax than this one.
I am indeed a believer of the off centered porpax,and I'm keen to try it. Stefane,i don't know why you found it unsuccessfull in your experiments?
I believe both types existed,but i suspect most of them were off.
Christian,i hadn't understood that you thought all the face was repoused! I wouldn't agree. I think i can see a difference between the rim and the fragments of the face. And I can certainly provide several photos of all covered smoothe faced shields,that have only the rim decorated. And all decorations are the same dotts/waves style.
Something else I'd like to bring to your attention is that this shield also had holes/rivets around the rim,in the joint of the rim and the bowl. I can provide at least one more such example. The vatican shield had only seven rivets around the inner part of the rim. Connolly says the rivets have not been found,only the holes. It is interesting that in none of those shields the tiny rivets have survived.But this is the case with most helmets,too.
In this photo,of the same items that Christian posted, i hope you can estimate that the sheet is very thin,much less than a mm,perhaps less that half a mm. The thickness could not have been much different in antiquity,not in these specific fragments,since there is no much corrossion and the decoration is perfectly preserved.
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Khairete
Giannis
I am indeed a believer of the off centered porpax,and I'm keen to try it. Stefane,i don't know why you found it unsuccessfull in your experiments?
I believe both types existed,but i suspect most of them were off.
Christian,i hadn't understood that you thought all the face was repoused! I wouldn't agree. I think i can see a difference between the rim and the fragments of the face. And I can certainly provide several photos of all covered smoothe faced shields,that have only the rim decorated. And all decorations are the same dotts/waves style.
Something else I'd like to bring to your attention is that this shield also had holes/rivets around the rim,in the joint of the rim and the bowl. I can provide at least one more such example. The vatican shield had only seven rivets around the inner part of the rim. Connolly says the rivets have not been found,only the holes. It is interesting that in none of those shields the tiny rivets have survived.But this is the case with most helmets,too.
In this photo,of the same items that Christian posted, i hope you can estimate that the sheet is very thin,much less than a mm,perhaps less that half a mm. The thickness could not have been much different in antiquity,not in these specific fragments,since there is no much corrossion and the decoration is perfectly preserved.
Khairete
Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
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a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
