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Ave et salutatio:<br>
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I have found an image of a denarius issued during the reign of Antoninvs Pivs. The reverse shows an image that is a near-exact duplicate of the Legio XX VV scutum device.<br>
I would like to attach the image to this message, but I can't figure out how to do it.<br>
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Vale:<br>
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Gaius Octavius Drusus <p></p><i></i>
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Not too hard. If you have a web address/url for the image, you can use the 'image' button at the left of the composition screen to enclose the image appropriately. If you need a place to put the image, try photobucket<br>
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www.photobucket.com <p>Legio XX<br>
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Start a message in RAT (here), and then:<br>
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Go to the webpage the picture's on. Right click on the image and go down the popup menu list to <Copy image location>.<br>
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Come back to RAT, and in your message click the image button to the left of the type box. When the box with the <type in the URL..> blah blah appears, Press Ctrl-V (paste) on your keyboard and you should see the url for the image pasted in there.<br>
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Click <OK> and the pic will be in your post. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=tarbicus>Tarbicus</A> at: 2/16/05 2:11 am<br></i>
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Ave et salutatio:<br>
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If I have done everything correctly, the image should appear in this message.<br>
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Gaius<br>
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<img src="http://Acoinimage.jpg" style="border:0;"/> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gaiusoctaviusdrusus@romanarmytalk>Gaius Octavius Drusus</A> at: 2/16/05 5:20 pm<br></i>
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Nope...can't see it. Can you provide a URL for the site with the image? Or is this something you scanned out of a book? I would love to see it. Maybe you could email it to those interested? <p></p><i></i>
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Check if you have ezPost/ezCodes enabled. <p>Greets<br>
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This oughta do it:<br>
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/DannoUlpius/b7687.jpg"/><br>
"7687. ANTONINUS PIUS, 138-161 AD. AR Denarius, HRIC 37. /PROVIDENTIA DEOVRM (foresight of the gods), ornate thunderbolt. EF+. Scarce. Choice sharply struck example. $450 estimate."<br>
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While I was there, I happened upon this sling bullet with a similar design...<br>
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/DannoUlpius/b7775.jpg"/><br>
7775. ROMAN SLING BULLET, meade of lead. The bullet is decorated with a clear thunderbolt. Nice example. 3.3 cm $150 estimate. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dannoulpius>Danno Ulpius</A> at: 2/16/05 6:40 pm<br></i>
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Ave et salutatio Danno Ulpius:<br>
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Many thanks for posting that picture. I think the resemblance to the Legio XX VV scutum emblem is uncanny. I also agree with you that the device on the coin and the one on the sling bullet are quite similar. The only point of difference that I can see is that the center of the device on the coin looks like a handle, while the center of the device on the sling bullet looks like a shield boss.<br>
While on the subject of the denarius, I'd like to point out that I believe that there is a 'E' at the end of the word 'Providentia' on the rear of the coin; it looks as if the lower bar of the 'E' was either worn off (unlikely, considering the condition of the rest of the coin) or was omitted due to a flaw in the die used to strike it.<br>
The inscription on the front should read as follows:<br>
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ANTONINUSAUGPIUSPPTRPCOSIII<br>
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"Antoninus, Augustus Pius, Pater Patriae (father of his country), Tribunicia Potestas (holder of the tribunician power), Cos III (three times consul)<br>
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The more I see of coins like this one, the more I am amazed that some have survived in such excellent condition. If you look closely, you can even see the flow patterns in the surface of the coin..<br>
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Salve et magna gratias:<br>
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Gaius Octavius Drusus <p></p><i></i>
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Sorry, never knew the Romans left a calling card<br>
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So, who would your ancient Robert Duvall be, loving the smell of Greek fire in the morning? <p></p><i></i>
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It would be either Julius Caesar or Augustus..<br>
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What you've gotten is an ancient thunderbolt, plain and simple.<br>
We draw it as a zigzag. They drew it as a double-prong (and sometimes with wings) and a grip in the middle, for Jove to throw it.<br>
Here's a coin from Epirus of 340 BC. Thunderbolt on the left.<br>
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v704/vincula/sg1979.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
Here's a coin from Tarentum of 280 BC. Owl on the right is standing on a thunderbolt.<br>
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v704/vincula/Vlasto_1068ff.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
The same emblem is found on sling bullets for obvious reasons. <p></p><i></i>
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Here are some more "winged fulmen (thunderbolt)" shield motifs:<br>
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Denarius of Q. Minucius Thermus, 103 BC:<br>
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Salve Drusus,<br>
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Sorry to jump into this so late but I'm trying to make sense of your opening comments "a near-exact duplicate of the Legio XX VV scutum device". By this do you mean it looks like the Scutum emblem employed by some of the LEG XX VV re-enactment groups? or rather you beleive this to be the same as the original LEG XX VV used?<br>
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Out of interest we portray LEG XX VV but we use a laurel wreath emblem, for Victory.<br>
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Vale<br>
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Mummius <p></p><i></i>