Newstead segmentata question

[Martin Moser]

Hi all,

I am at the moment fooling around with a Newstead type segmentata and was wondering whether there have been any new articles or such over the last few years that I might not be aware of? (that of course means after Bishop's and Thomas' Lorica Segmentata books)
Especially, has there been a final/extensive report on the Stillfried finds perhaps?

Thanks for all comments and pointers :-) )

(here's where I'm at at the moment ...)

[QVINTVS ARTORIVS CORVINVS]

Looks good so far Martin IMHO...

Curious as to why you would attach the hinge hardware prior to shaping the plates?
I could understand temporarily fixing them with quick-detach kleeco's or even bolts to hold things in place for testing... Your choice to rivet them prior to shaping the plates may very well cause some serious stress on your hinges when you execute the bends and may make the neat edge alignments you now have go a bit askew. Hopefully not though.

[Theodosius the Great]

Hi Martin,

Perhaps you've overlooked this webpage from Legion VI Victrix (California, USA) :

[url:320z0nfd]http://www.legionsix.org/Equipment/Basic%20Gear/Newstead%20article.htm[/url]

Yes, I agree, what you have so far looks very good.

Good luck.

~Theo

[Martin Moser]

Curious as to why you would attach the hinge hardware prior to shaping the plates?

Hm, good point maybe. Aligning at least is easier when flat, but mostly, this is the way I did it with the 4 or so Corbridge segs I built so far. I'll let you know how it went then...

[Martin Moser]

Hi Theo,

Perhaps you've overlooked this webpage from Legion VI Victrix (California, USA) :

Ah, ok, thanks a lot for kindly pointing this out!

[QVINTVS ARTORIVS CORVINVS]

I'm no expert on the Newstead type, but I am curious as to how you get the Corbridge upper shoulder yoke section torsioned (twisted slightly) with it already hinged up? The upper section that rides under the hoops. Hibernicus did an article on this a while back... I'll hunt for it later.
It is difficult enough to get right when the piece is unattached.

[Matt Lukes]

I have some stuff I can send you Martin- I've made a few of these with all the most recent details known (I think :mrgreen: )

[PhilusEstilius]

I don't know if I'm becoming confused with just what was the Newstead Lorica, for many years ago when I held some of the original pieces in my hands it did not have any hinges at all. Then also as shown by the web link of the VI Victrics the girdle plates on the Newstead did not have the style of fasteners as shown they were simple strips of metal just pushed thro' holes.
The Peter Connelly exploded drawings do show the original armour as found at Trimontium, therefore Martin should this type not be called a Stillfield or what other type it is.
I would agree the plates that take the Corbridge type hooks and shoulder and breastplate attachments are similar to the original Newstead.

[Crispvs]

Brian,

I suspect you haven't been able to look at Bishop's monograph on Segmentata yet. It is true that the paltes from Newstead do not have surviving hinges, but they do feature rivet holes, which was why Robinson guessed that the plates were all riveted to each other. However, similar plates from Carlisle and other places which have come to light since Robinson published show that the rivet holes in the Newstead plates must have been for the attachment of the large hinges which were found on the Carlisle plate and which were already well known as separate items. Robinson's suggestion for the closure method was also speculative as he had very little material to work with. He only had the Newstead plates to go on and had probably heard of the Zugmantel plates but had not seen them as he makes no reference to them aside from suggesting that the lower plate may have been wider than the other plates on Newstead armour. A small piece of curving plate which has a small piece of copper-alloy pushed through it to form a loop was one of the few possible candidates for a girdle plate he knew of and the small copper-alloy loop seemed in that context to be a possible example of a closure system, hence his use of similar loops to attach the tie laces. Robinson's reconstrction formed the model for (virtually) all Newstead reconstructions prior to Bishop publishing his monograph in 2002.
However, now we have more examples of the Newstead type to work from, we know that the closure was achieved using slots and cast loops which passed through them before being turned to lock them in position. The loops are well known from a number of sites and I am led to believe are still present on the Stillfried girdle plates.

Crispvs

[Chuck Russell]

man this is nice. makes me wanna start work on one now any progress?