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Marsh, the prices are high and Eriks are not the only ones. If you try and get a helmet from Michael Simkins, you would be shocked out of your skin.
Yet, from what I know , his helmets are made from more than one piece (including the Gallic class which was forged from one piece).
Erik Konig's prices are high but it generally takes alot of work to make an item like a helmet especially if it is highly decorated. I for one could purchase items from Mr. Konig but unlike my esteemed colleage Crispus, I do not hold Mr. Konig to master craftsman. Not all his pieces are well researched and several of the details on various items are poorly made considering all the leg work Crispus says Mr. Konig does. The quality of phalerae for instance leaves too much to be desired for me to pay those prices. The repousse is not great either.
These are my opinions of course and I do not wish to deviate from the topic further. Marsh, if you like to discuss it further, you could send a PM.
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"You know most people, especially hyper reenactors would NEVER buy a helmet that is exactly copied from that ..... It doesn't go w/ their notions of "Romaness" and their esthetics. Sad, but true."
Marsh,
As I suspect I may be one of those 'hyper re-enactors' you mentioned I think I might offer a perspective.
My own helmet was hand made by White Rose. Overall the workmanship is fantastic but the crest fitting is a little wobbly, one cheek guard squeaks a lot as I march and the neck guard is somewhat skew-wiff. I am very happy with this.
I took a great deal of time when making my sword scabbard to get the details right, but when one or two of the appliquee pieces ended up at slight angles I did not curse and remove them. Instead I felt they made the piece look more authentic.
My patera was made by Tony Feldon. It has one or two minor faults in the rim due to the casting process but they do not affect its performance and I am very happy with them.
I also have patches on my tunic and the apron on my belt is presently missing a couple of studs and three of its terminals. All in all I think this makes my impression look more authentically 'Roman'.
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I think there are several long threads on this forum discussing the same thing.
It is true that the original pieces show a lot of imperfections. So do the Indian pieces. Does this mean that it makes the Indian pieces authentic? No. The problem is that a lot of the imperfections on the Indian stuff are easily identifiable as toolmarks, caused by modern tools or a modern fabrication proces (I really regret the decision by Deepeeka to start stamping out helmet bowls instead of welding two pieces together. They used to to that and the bowl were more oval. The rest of the details are a lot better now, but the round bowls and the short cheekguards ruin everything for me). Imperfections that are not the same as the imperfections you find on the original pieces.
Matt Lukes once told me that getting the imperfections in there is one of the hardest things to do for a craftsman.
I fully agree with Crispvs. I have 3 White Rose helmets. One completely by White Rose and slightly adapted by me, the other two partialy made by White Rose and combined with other components. Cheekguards are not perfectly aligned, rivets are sometimes off center. Perfect imperfections.
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I am not so much into the whole "craftsman" thing. We're talking apples and oranges. Here is pix of Helm, courtesy of Roman Hideout (he let me use it on RomanoBritain.org) anyway, here it is:
![[Image: gallic_g_frnt.jpg]](http://www.romanobritain.org/8-military/kit/gallic_g_frnt.jpg)
![[Image: gallic_g_top.jpg]](http://www.romanobritain.org/8-military/kit/gallic_g_top.jpg)
![[Image: gallic_g.jpg]](http://www.romanobritain.org/8-military/kit/gallic_g.jpg)
That is NOT from being buried, it's from being MADE crooked as hell. And it is tough to make stuff like that. People's ascetics will not allow them to have/wear/build stuff that is not nice.
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So Marsh,
In what way does my last post conflict with what you are obviously at pains to point out?
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I'm not sure it does. I just think pretty and perfect and Roman don't belong together. I guess my whole thing is that the really nice, craftsman-like stuff that is for sale is not really correct.
For all the stuff people say about Deepeeka, they have brought the hobby to a place where it is doable by those who are not rich and who do not have the ability to MAKE their kit. People decry their stuff and while not perfect, it's something that has helped many.
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Maybe a mod could split these into two threads vs. one?? 
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I have to agree can one of the MOD's kindly remove all the OFF Topic material that does not relate whatever to the Herculanium/Pompeii belt topic.
However please try to leave the belt plate request that does indeed belong how helmets and quality of armour in this topic defeats my logic.
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No, NOT delete them, split the thread, so we can talk about the other things too, elsewhere.
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Splitting threads, especially long ones, is a lot of work and usually lands me a lot of grief from at least one of the parties involved. So perhaps you could agree on the 'new' threads in which you would have us mods split this up, so we could put some discussion in those, whilst leaving this one slimmed down and intact. Looking forward to hear your poroposals.
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Robert.
It would appear that the off topic began when Mithras/Paul Elliott wanted to mention the price of helmets why I do not know.
Then this was then taken up by Decimus Mercatius Varianus/Marsh Wise who wanted to begin another subject of authenticity of Roman equipment.
I would suggest that if a Topic about authenticity is desired then maybe one or the other might like to begin such a thread.
I don't know how you are going to take out that subject other than deleat what is off topic and let them start a new topic on what is authentic, if it means taking out my request about photographs of beltplates then that is no problem for me.
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Robert, can't you just copy the threads? Make two, one about the belt, the other about authenticity of repros. Then, if you have both threads copied, you can just dx the parts from each that don't apply.
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Quote:I don't know how you are going to take out that subject other than deleat what is off topic and let them start a new topic on what is authentic, if it means taking out my request about photographs of beltplates then that is no problem for me.
I can imagine that, but it would be a bit of a bummer to all those who posted, I fear.  Deleting perfectly good posts is not an option.
Indeed, I can but add post for post to a new thread. that's VERY time-consuming, plus (like I said), someone will have to decide on what thread that is to become.
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Hi Marsh,
Quote:Robert, can't you just copy the threads? Make two, one about the belt, the other about authenticity of repros. Then, if you have both threads copied, you can just dx the parts from each that don't apply.
No, I'm afraid that's not in my humble powers. In the last forum I could do more, but the length of the thread would already have been a problem. In this forum, I can't do anything like that. :-(
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