Legate/Tribune helmet hunt

[arklore70]

Well, do we have any examples of what we think they might have worn?


Any thought on some of the more elaborate Cavalry style helms or perhaps a elaborately decorated Infantry helm?

Do we have any evidence at all that might lead to some clues?

[Magnus]

Why? Because most identifiable representations of these people are shown bear headed?
I wouldn't go into battle bear headed!

Hell, I wouldn't even go into battle without a scutum, especially if I was a centurion or above... hock: :o

Our 'leader' was well knackered at the Wickerman by a Caledonian witch
armed only with a wooden pole...poor bas*^£d!! hock: hock: :lol: :lol:

Legates don't engage in combat, they command from the back...that's what centurions are for.

Jim...I figure if high ranking roman officers had a preference for greek styled body armor, why not the helmet too?

[QVINTVS ARTORIVS CORVINVS]

Matt,

That in deed makes sense and follows a fashion trend.
Having said that, the Roman musculata differs a bit in execution from the Greek Helenistic style... in so much as the Roman Attic differs from the Greek style Attic helmets... It is not so far a leap I don't think; at least until some more solid evidence is unearthed to lead us in one direction or another.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Why? Because most identifiable representations of these people are shown bear headed?
I wouldn't go into battle bear headed!

Hell, I wouldn't even go into battle without a scutum, especially if I was a centurion or above... hock: :o

Our 'leader' was well knackered at the Wickerman by a Caledonian witch
armed only with a wooden pole...poor bas*^£d!! hock: hock: :lol: :lol:

Legates don't engage in combat, they command from the back...that's what centurions are for.

Jim...I figure if high ranking roman officers had a preference for greek styled body armor, why not the helmet too?

I guess julius just waded in without a helmet then? I doubt there were never times when even a Legate engaged in combat, Magnus.....

And while what you say about the Helenistic syles is true, there also seems to be some room for debate on the the use of different
helmets for officers. Why not the Witcham Gravel for instance?
Or any of the vast league of highly decorated calvery helmets?
Some of which look to be a variation on this shape?

[Marcus Mummius]

I'm still working on my tribune impression, but I already have two helmets to use with this impression (the growing of the extra head is not easy though).

I have an Apulo Corinthian with a crest and two sideplumes and a cavalry helmet with embossed hair (and the gods on the cheekpieces) that I'm planning to partiallt silver and put on a crest too.

Vale,

[Magnus]

Why? Because most identifiable representations of these people are shown bear headed?
I wouldn't go into battle bear headed!

Hell, I wouldn't even go into battle without a scutum, especially if I was a centurion or above... hock: :o

Our 'leader' was well knackered at the Wickerman by a Caledonian witch
armed only with a wooden pole...poor bas*^£d!! hock: hock: :lol: :lol:

I guess julius just waded in without a helmet then? I doubt there were never times when even a Legate engaged in combat, Magnus.....

And while what you say about the Helenistic syles is true, there also seems to be some room for debate on the the use of different
helmets for officers. Why not the Witcham Gravel for instance?
Or any of the vast league of highly decorated calvery helmets?
Some of which look to be a variation on this shape?

Well, what DID Julius Caesar wear on his head...any evidence? Why not a greek attic helm? 8) And there are what, a handful of examples over rome's history of such officers going into combat? That is certainly not the norm, nor is it representative.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying high ranking officers were always sans helmets, only that there simply isn't any evidence for that fancy praetorian style of helmet being worn by them. Sure, why not put some of the decorative "legionary" helmets on officers? My personal opinion is that they'd have used something greek-ish. Or maybe each officer had his own personal style of helmet...who knows?

But, as a reenactment impression, you're totally fine to be without a helmet as a legatus or tribune. Who's going to argue with them? :wink:

Any company making a roman style attic helmet?

[QVINTVS ARTORIVS CORVINVS]

Jeff, I was wondering if you could post what you have?
No need to grow another head, one at a time would suffice :lol:

[Marcus Mummius]

This is the helmet I have:





on a human head (I don't know for sure, but this could be Cristophe from armae).



I painted the crestblock.

Vale,

[Marcus Mummius]

This is the deepeeka cavalry helmet, partially silverplated:

[Magnus]

Image doesn't work Jef...

[Marcus Mummius]

Image doesn't work Jef...

I can see the images alright...

[Magnus]

Sigh...I can't seem to! Can you provide a text link to it?

Thanks!

[Paullus Scipio]

There is one helmet that is almost certainly a senior Officer's helmet, (though it has been classified as 'decorative' or from a statue by some - but statues were seldom exactly life size, and I don't know of any depicted in frescos etc with actual helmets.....) and that is the Autun Helmet.
Tarbicus/Jim has posted pictures of this highly decorated and elaborate Etrusco-Corinthian ( also called Apulian ) helmet elsewhere on RAT.... D

[Magnus]

What year is that from Paul, give or take? Etrusco-Corinthian...greek influence I take it? 8)

[Paullus Scipio]

...Early 1st C A.D., according to H. Russell-Robinson.....Greek influence in the sense that these helmets are based on 'pushed-up' Corinthians, but thry are purely Italian....