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constructing and mounting a porpax
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These schollars are most probably comparing the hoplite with the roman legionaire,or even celtic warriors,or medieval knites,in other words,soldiers that were the top in their own period. One would say that with time soldiers were becoming better and better,that's why the different systems are being replaced by the new ones,but clearly this is not correct as many other factors except from efectiveness play thier role in what system is followed in every period. That said,the hoplite may indeed had been in difficulty to resist alone in those one-to-one fighters. And yet another question,would a lightly armed hoplite of the late 4th century win in man-to-man combat with a late 7th century hoplite? Better mobility? Better trainning? Better equipment(sight,comfort)? They were both hoplites. At last,hoplites were the middle and highest class of citizens,those who could go to the gymnasium,learn boxing,pankration,go to the Olympics. Would an armoured pankrationist be more effective against and unarmoured pankrationist armed say with a sword/dagger? Unresolved questions in my opinion. But if a hoplite falls,he's doomed. What can you do with the round,double gripped,heavy aspis?
As for reality...do we ever see lightly armed troops fighting hoplites,even when they are in great disorder? I can't think of once such occasion when the hoplites didn't win.
Again interestingly,those schollars are always ready to say that one-on-one a hoplite could bring down a heavy cavalryman.
Those of you with full panoply could experiment and say what a hoplite CAN'T do. Only very accurate equipment could serve this. For example say "a hoplite can't kneel"(we know they could),or "if he falls down he can't stand on his feet unless..."
I still lack my aspis.
Khairete
Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
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constructing and mounting a porpax - by Kineas - 10-14-2008, 11:05 PM
Porpax II - by Kineas - 10-14-2008, 11:08 PM
Porpax III - by Kineas - 10-15-2008, 12:10 AM
Porpax IV - by Kineas - 10-15-2008, 12:16 AM
Porpax V - by Kineas - 10-15-2008, 12:20 AM
Aspis and Prpax fitting - by Paullus Scipio - 10-25-2008, 03:05 AM
Porpax Construction - by Paullus Scipio - 11-16-2008, 10:35 PM
Porpax construction - by Paullus Scipio - 11-17-2008, 11:07 PM
Porpax construction - by Paullus Scipio - 11-18-2008, 12:10 AM
Porpax construction and rim - by Paullus Scipio - 11-18-2008, 12:36 AM
Fitting a Porpax - by Paullus Scipio - 11-21-2008, 06:59 AM
Re: Fitting a Porpax - by Tarbicus - 11-21-2008, 04:37 PM
Fitting a porpax - by Paullus Scipio - 11-21-2008, 07:41 PM
Fitting a porpax and rim - by Paullus Scipio - 11-21-2008, 07:51 PM
Porpax and shield facings - by Paullus Scipio - 11-21-2008, 08:28 PM
Re: constructing and mounting a porpax - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 11-26-2008, 12:07 AM
Porpax and other grips - by Paullus Scipio - 11-27-2008, 09:29 PM

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