07-13-2004, 04:20 PM
Quote:</em></strong><hr>Well as "Byzantine" is a modern label and the empire still considered itself Roman I'm quite happy to see it as a Roman defeat - East Roman if you wish <hr><br>
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By the time of the 12th century in the byzantine empire it was more a mixture of Greeks and Arabs than actual romans. The byzantine empire was on its was down seeing as the Western Roman Empire had fallen 600 years earlier, it was now a papal state so calling anything roman at this time is not completely accurate. Byzantine Empire was just the Byzantine empire at this point rather than the eastern roman empire. The seperation of byzantine from the rest of europe following the 1054 Schism kind of put byzaninte closer to the likes of Russia than to Rome and the rest of western europe who were heavily catholic. So going by this the disasterous battle you speak of would be tied to the Byzantine Empire, instead of the Eastern Roman Empire. <p>THERE ARE NO STUPID PEOPLE, ONLY PEOPLE STUPID ENOUGH TO NOT KNOW WHEN THEY'VE MADE A MISTAKE</p><i></i>
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By the time of the 12th century in the byzantine empire it was more a mixture of Greeks and Arabs than actual romans. The byzantine empire was on its was down seeing as the Western Roman Empire had fallen 600 years earlier, it was now a papal state so calling anything roman at this time is not completely accurate. Byzantine Empire was just the Byzantine empire at this point rather than the eastern roman empire. The seperation of byzantine from the rest of europe following the 1054 Schism kind of put byzaninte closer to the likes of Russia than to Rome and the rest of western europe who were heavily catholic. So going by this the disasterous battle you speak of would be tied to the Byzantine Empire, instead of the Eastern Roman Empire. <p>THERE ARE NO STUPID PEOPLE, ONLY PEOPLE STUPID ENOUGH TO NOT KNOW WHEN THEY'VE MADE A MISTAKE</p><i></i>
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