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Show here your Germanic warrior impression
Here are some pictures of myself and my group. We're portraying a Germanic retinue following during the Romano-Germanic war (12 BC to 17 AD). We hear from Tacitus that retinue bands often had members for a wide number of tribes. Most of the warriors in this band are Cherusci or Chatti, but we do have a Harudi from Jutland as well.

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I'll describe a few of the impressions in detail


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This is my impression. I am the leader of the retinue band and rank among the wealthiest member in my tribe. I have a large bronze 'achterschnalle' belt, equipped with a wide range of equipment ranging from a shaving knife to a fire striker. My sword and spears are from the grave field at Hamburg Marmsdorf. My shield is edged with iron, and I also wear a sleeveless mailshirt. My helmet is a captured Roman helmet modified in the Krefeld-Gulduba style.


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This warrior hails from the Chatti tribe. He has quite a lot of La Tene equipment (the Chatti took over an area that we previous inhabited by Celts), including a large lance, a la tene knife, fibula, and a La Tene sword based off a find from Lindholmgard, Denmark. However, virtually identicle swords were discovered in Chattan territory, but they were very poorly preserved compared to the remarkably intact Lindholmgard sword. His shield however, is of clear Germanic origin, with large shield rivits and a spiked shield boss.


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This is another Chatti warrior. He has a large shield based off the find from Vaedebro, Denmark. Similar shaped shields are known from Roman victory coins of Domitian's Chattian War. He is armed with a ribbed spear head, and a light battle axe.


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This warrior is a Harudi from the west coast of Jutland in what is now Denmark. He is well equipped with a shield edged on the top and bottom with iron, as well as a single edged sword in a wooden scabbard secured by iron clamps, as well as a lighter trusting spear. He also has an 'achterschnale' belt with three bronze strap ends. What distinguishes him as a Harudi or a warrior from Jutland for that matter is his iron neckring. These were often hinged, and were worn by the wealthier members of society as a symbol of status as power. Dozens of them have been discoved in Jutland.


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This warrior is typical of a Germanic warrior towards the end of the Romano-Germanic war (perhaps during the campaigns of Germanicus). He is armed with a very light shield with a conical iron boss. He also has a broad, but light trusting spear, as well as a very light, thin single edged sword based off a find from Hamburg Marmsdorf. This type of sword was designed for light, quick cuts, and developed as a result of facing Roman infantry.


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Dan Dalby

Group Leader Project Germani

Germanic Tribes of the 1st. cen. BCE to the 1st cen. CE
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Very nice impressions and group, Dan! 8)
Virilis / Jyrki Halme
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My apologies to the mods if this thread is the incorrect please but I thought that fellow RAT forumites may wish
to know that our group Wulfheodenas have a facebook page with many images of original 6th and 7thC artifacts and
recreations within our photo albums. Again I appreciate that 6th & 7thC north western europe is pushing the limits
of this thread a bit, but do enjoy.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wulfheoden...780?ref=hl

best
Ingvar
Ingvar Sigurdson
Dave Huggins
Wulfheodenas
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Even if it is "pushing it" in time, I think your gear and attention to detail is GREAT. I love you helmet display :woot:
I missed Dan's post :oops: , but that is also a very good turnout. Laudes to both Smile
Salvete et Valete



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Robert P. Wimmers
www.erfgoedenzo.nl/Diensten/Creatie Big Grin
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Thank you for the compliment Robert. We try our best and are always seeking to improve.

Cheers
Ingvar
Ingvar Sigurdson
Dave Huggins
Wulfheodenas
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Here some picts from 2009 to present day about german/frankish reenactment:

1) when i begun: a frankish (salian) warrior arround 470/80 AC:
- clothes as descripted down, large shield with pattern mixe from the notitia and covered with rawhide, a common spearpoint and a common francisca throwing axe for the late Vth cent. (axe type 1/A from Huebener, bad replica in regards of the angle between handle and sharp..)

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2) a project for the Musée Itinérant: a frankih/saxon warrior, near the Channel, early VIth cent
-> based on a burial from Nouvion en Ponthieu (nord-west of Samarobriva).
The only adds are the textiles+ the umbo ( clothes from nydan/schlesswig/erstein, umbo based on the current model for the late Vth cent founded in Nouvion, Lavoye, Rhin-aera. Shield in beech, just stuck by several layers of linnen, and sewn for the periphery).
Dated between 490 and 520 AC.

Items:
- an axe (symetrical with back-hammer, francisca type 4/N from Huebener's classification. I have doubts about this was used as a weapon.. maybe more included to the tomb's furnitures as a symbol of some special task of propeties in his life..
- a little spearhead / large javelinhead
- a knife
- bronze twizers + bronze needle, with an iron plate to close the chaplain,
- two bronze buckles (1 little, i think to maintain the throusers)
- three belt appliques, in bronze, shaped as "scuta".

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Items as founded in the tomb:
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(moderators: i"ve tryed to post this morning, but seems to ha done something wrong.. if there is doubleposts, please delete and forgive me)
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Website of our cultural/reenactment team about merovingians times: http://www.musee-itinerant.org/index.php?width=1280
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3) one of our event at the Musée des tempes Barbares, in Marle, June 2012:

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"i'm waiting in the rain... -_- "
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4) the next project: a frankish (ripuarian) noble, rhin aera, arround 480 AC:

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The tunic is based on the texts by S.Apollinaris (for the tight sewings), with golden-embroidery as seen in the Musée D'archéologie Nationale (founds from St Denis and northern italy, VIth) and with striped-pattern (from texts by Apollinaris too). In Linnen.

A rectangular whithe coat in linen, to looks like the ripuarians in the texts meeting burgundians for a mariage; and a wool throusers (throsberg or schelsswig).

- lenticular shield with a button-umbo, from the necropolis of Flonheim,
- semi-spatha (not a copy one for now, same cemetery)
- spatha (same)
- francisca (in command, the one seems to has been destroyed in during the WWII, so i chose one from Worms, arround 480).
- Two coins from the roman republic, in pendants,
- Three ceramics (founds arround my native town, in picardy, all made by P.Alain Capt (Arse cretariae http://arscretariae-archeoceramique.blogspot.fr/),: one gallo-roman cup, found from Compiègne, one merovingian/anglosaxon greycup, and one roman bowl with reversed edge.

Two glases: one devoted to the light, without any feet ("campagnan apode glass"?), and one clawglass as found arround the channel/Rhine (this one specially is from harminges, belgium. A shame, but this was the only one aviable whithout a specific and expensive command Confused )

In command too: a framea, a angon, a gold ring and a coins-claw from the same tomb of flonheim

One day, maybe an add with an spangenhelm from Colognia.. but before, i'll bring all the stuff from a women's tomb in Nouvion, for my girlfriend.. expensive too ^^

ps/edit: sorry to have splited it into 3parts, seems to have a maximal size to posts?
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Good to see you on RAT Dave!
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
[b]Legio XIIII GMV. (Q. Magivs)RMRS Remember Atuatuca! Vengence will be ours!
Titus Flavius Germanus
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Byron Angel
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Cool! We need more 5th century over here Smile

Pouan has been dated to that timeframe, and is believed to be Frankish.
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Quote:Pouan has been dated to that timeframe, and is believed to be Frankish.

As concerning Pouan, i red that this tomb was more wisigothic than frankish (or danubian under orders of attila)


Here a link to a papper on (in french)

http://241-752.forumgratuit.fr/t42-visig...ight=pouan
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Very nice progress on your Impressions!
Hard to say if there is much wrong with your francisca, as there
seems a little bit of leeway as to the shape of the hafts.
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
[b]Legio XIIII GMV. (Q. Magivs)RMRS Remember Atuatuca! Vengence will be ours!
Titus Flavius Germanus
Batavian Coh I
Byron Angel
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Thanks Wink
In fact, this franciska is from a commercial-website, baught before i red german's (and french) books on this weapon.
It appears, in tests and in archeology, that the shaft and the handle have an angle between 99° and 116°, for a maximal effect on the target ( +to avoid the handle's break).
For now, i keep it, and me + my association will command some types of franciskas, to test in regards of this angle if this influence a lot the effects (for picts, you will need to wait until 2014 :p ).

If you're interested; here's some points about the manufacturing of the franciska:
http://241-752.forumgratuit.fr/t19-franc...-et-haches
here the tests made by an archeologist/industrial steelmaker arround 1950 about the ballistic:
http://241-752.forumgratuit.fr/t17-balis...rancisques
And there the Huebener's classification (simplified):
http://241-752.forumgratuit.fr/t22-class...-itinerant

I hope one day 'ill have one of each of the I A/B/C/D and 3/J/K models to test it (and with a corroyed of damassed made, correct weight, etc.. Wink )
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Also, more recent analysis of Pouan shows it dates to Roughly 480, and Visigothic and Frankish Elements in that area were rather similar.

Either way, I'd like to see a re-creation of it.

Good work with your impression, I will certainly check out those fransisca links.
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The weapon smith I was with last month also is working on these.
I have a couple, but I am looking forward to seeing what he will come up with in th efuture.
Thanks for the links!

I have a couple of these, one quite heavy made by another smith, plus a commercial one, which is lighter, and a nicely angled and curved haft! I would imaging you could replace the haft on this one with a more suitable one if it is that much of a problem for throwing .
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
[b]Legio XIIII GMV. (Q. Magivs)RMRS Remember Atuatuca! Vengence will be ours!
Titus Flavius Germanus
Batavian Coh I
Byron Angel
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