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#16
I checked the usage of cinctura versus other words for belt and girdle. For 19th and 20th century scholarship, the girdle is a "wide belt" used to hold garments up in a certain way. Cinctura only occurs twice according to The Big Latin Dictionary, and both times it is contrasting the normal mode of wearing a toga. Caesar is odd and doesn't wear his toga, but has his funny shirt, and Quintilian describes the girdle as what you might use if you are not wearing a toga (lato clavo) properly.

It's a (wide) belt to cinch clothes, and it looks like both authors are later(circa 100 ad). Caesar probably never used the word himself.
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#17
But doesn't "lato clavo" refer to the tunic, not the toga? (Means "wide stripe", if I'm not mistaken.) The toga isn't belted at all. And my Latin is a tad rusty, but it seems that "fimbriato" goes with "lato clavo", while "ad manus" is on its own (though having the same antecedant). So more like "a fringed wide-striped [tunic] [that reached] to his wrists]", in other words the tunic is fringed but that could mean the hem rather than the cuffs. But again, I'll trust those with sharper translation skills!

Valete,

Matthew

PS: Color! We're supposed to be talking about COLOR! Not this fringey wacko...
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#18
What color was the fringe? (*ducks behind scutum, while Matt looks around for heavy blunt object*)
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#19
Curse you, RAT, I was *dreaming* about this topic last night!! Could have been terminators, or aliens, or nuclear war, but NOOOOO, it was ROMAN REENACTORS. Aaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh.....

Anyway, in my sweating nightmare it occurred to me--there isn't actually a word meaning "sleeve" in that passage, is there? Could it be that the tunic was simply so wide that it reached to his hands?? That would certainly match the "sloppy" look noted in the other reference.

OR--even worse--could the side seams have been fringed (much like the linen shirt from En Gedi), and the fringe so long that *it* reached his hands? I don't feel that's as likely, just had to throw it out to spread the bad dreams around.

I'm not averse to the idea of sleeves, mind you. Caesar had spent years in Gaul and it would be surprising if he did NOT pick up some wardrobe items there. Wearing stuff like that in the Senate is outside the bounds of decency, of course, but that's Caesar...

Valete,

Matthew

PS: David, Revenge is a dish best served cold. Sleep tight!
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#20
Well, Matt, today was the first day in over two months it didn't get above 95F, so it may be a while before you can serve your dish down here... :lol:
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#21
This post has been removed by the author. I do not see a point to being on a forum where moderators such as Matt Lanteigne aka Magnus can practice harassment and hypocritical behavior. Good luck, but I am done here.
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