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Shields for Germans in AD9
#16
Hi all,

there is at least a hint for the use of wicker shields by germanic warriors in Tacitus´ Annales, Book II, 14. This is a suggested speech of Germanicus to his soldiers during his campaign in north germany in 15 AD. He mentioned that the germanic warriors do not use any kind of body armour or helmet. Their shields were not reinforced with iron or leather, but were only of wicker work or coloured laths.

Of course this suggested speech is propaganda and at least from archaeological evidence we know, that Germanicus´speech is wrong in case of iron (and copper alloy) parts of shields. But Tacitus seemed to follow the usual roman topos of barbarian material culture or even followed Plinius the elder´s observations on germanics (or his book about roman germanic wars, which is lost). So we can asume that wicker shields could have been an option to german (and other) warriors.

We have much older evidence of organic weaponry in form of the Hjortspring finds. There we have wooden shields (with short spina) and bone/antler speer/lance tips (but also some mail shirts were observed).
So we have evidence, that the idea of organic weapory was known ca. 150 years before the period in question. And finally there is a later evidence of wicker shieldboss from Thorsberg (2nd ct AD).

Summing up, we can say there was organic weaponry in existence before, we have a literary hint of whicker shields for at least the 1st ct. AD and a whicker shield boss of a later date is a proof at least of the idea to use wicker work for at least shieldbosses. Fair enough?

How did they look like?
My thinking is that the practical demands dictated the way how the material at hand was processed and that inside it´s limits. The wish to follow common forms iof daily objects was another factor.
In that way wicker shields may have followed the high end examples (with metal parts) in form and size. It is not impossible that a reinforcement with raw hide was wounded around the edges or even tied to the front side. The contemporary (around 0 AD) use of spina can be assumed by contemporary roman depiction and it makes sense on a flexible wicker to strengthen it ... like a spine. An alternative could be a whicker shieldboss, mentioned above.

Where they painted?
Tacitus suggested in his Germania that the germans didn´t like to decorate their weapons much, with the shield as an absolute exception. And one may argue with "horror vacui", the fear of undecorated areas. When makig a wicker shield with raw hide, a spina and paint it with the range of colours available then, it won´t differ much from a wooden shield. Something which a germanic shield builder maybe wanted to achive with "inferior" material.
Surely we have to overcame the notion that barbaric material culture was always plain, raw and unfinished. People tended to make the most out of the material they had at hand. We do not know for sure, if organic weoponry were an article of poorer warriors and the danger is to argue with organic weaponry to fill interpretive gaps in reconstruction.


Robert


Some literature

- Adler, Wolfgang:
Studien zur germanischen Bewaffnung.
Waffenmitgabe und Kampfesweise im
Niederelbegebiet und im übrigen Freien Germanien
um Christi Geburt.
(Bonn, Habelt, 1993).

-Jahn, Martin:
Die Bewaffnung der Germanen in der älteren
Eisenzeit etwa 700 v. Chr. bis 200 n. Chr.
(Würzburg, Kabitzsch, 1916).

Weski, Timm:
Waffen in germanischen Gräbern der älteren
römischen Kaiserzeit südlich der Ostsee.
(Oxford, British Archaeological Reports, 1982).

Weski, Timm:
Waffen aus organischem Material bei den Germanen
und schriftliche Quellen. Ein Beitrag zu einem
Zirkelschluss. -
in: Festschrift für Otto-Herman Frey
(Marburg, 1994).

Raddatz, Klaus:
Der Thorsberger Moorfund. Katalog. Teile von
Waffen und Pferdegeschirr, sonstige Fundstücke
aus Metall und Glas, Ton- und Holzgefässe,
Steingeräte.
(Neumünster, Wachholtz, 1987).

Rosenberg, Gustav:
Hjortspringfundet. Det kongelige Nordiske Oldskriftsselskab, Nordisk. (Forlag 1937).
Robert Brosch
www.chasuari.de">www.chasuari.de
Germanic warriors of 1st ct. AD

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#17
Hi,

we study german people in the second century. You can read an article in french about weapons of przeworsk and wilbark culture (second century) and another article about german weapons in the first century in our site www.limitis.org (germains).
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#18
Nice kits! Is there any chance of an English version of your site coming soon? I can't read or speak French.
-Amalric
(Steven Bulman)

Member of Legio V Alaudae
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#19
I am going to ask a friend to translate it but you can see photos with dates of shield bosses (phase B2= IIe second century). It's funny to translate in english because all my sources are in english....because in french there are no documents. Many books are in germans and polish.

A book very interesting is Nadkole II. Excavations in Poland with many design of shields bosses about przeworsk culture. People of Przeworsk culture are german and others people. I put it in this article german shield and sword.

I try to put in our site links about germans people in "liens spécialisés".
Our articles is in "peuples des frontières" and click "Germains".
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#20
Quote:A book very interesting is Nadkole II.
The book is in English, but translation is questionable. Don't be surprised. For instance, spears ale called "lances", javelins are called "spears". Obvious German calque.
Very interesting, unique shield bosses form Nadkole II graves: 43 and 80B.

Anyway:
We reconstructed Nadkole shield two years ago (see attachment, a man with black shield). Hexagonal shield is very unuseful in formation combat. We decided to use miniatures form Siemiechow as a model instead. See - other attachments (first stage of production, no leather covering). All shields are made by Bartosz "Razoslav" Gluszczak (student of Archeology, University of Lodz). Iron Bosses - Tomasz Kowalski (blacksmith, armourer). "Design of reconstruction" - well... me. They are made "for Marcomanic Wars". The same model (with different shield bosses) we hope to use for "around 0AD" period.

Our forum:
[url:otjvh1yo]http://www.forum.dagome.eu/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=54[/url]
[url:otjvh1yo]http://www.forum.dagome.eu/viewforum.php?f=8[/url]
Language is Polish, but pictures are universal Smile

How do you find it? (Yes, new bosses are in production)
Wojciech Wasiak (Votava)
HARJIS / DAGOME
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#21
Quote:
Quote:A book very interesting is Nadkole II.
The book is in English, but translation is questionable. Don't be surprised. For instance, spears ale called "lances", javelins are called "spears". Obvious German calque.
Very interesting, unique shield bosses form Nadkole II graves: 43 and 80B.

Anyway:
We reconstructed Nadkole shield two years ago (see attachment, a man with black shield). Hexagonal shield is very unuseful in formation combat. We decided to use miniatures form Siemiechow as a model instead. See - other attachments (first stage of production, no leather covering). All shields are made by Bartosz "Razoslav" Gluszczak (student of Archeology, University of Lodz). Iron Bosses - Tomasz Kowalski (blacksmith, armourer). "Design of reconstruction" - well... me. They are made "for Marcomanic Wars". The same model (with different shield bosses) we hope to use for "around 0AD" period.

Our forum:
[url:wciwo0ri]http://www.forum.dagome.eu/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=54[/url]
[url:wciwo0ri]http://www.forum.dagome.eu/viewforum.php?f=8[/url]
Language is Polish, but pictures are universal Smile

How do you find it? (Yes, new bosses are in production)



Very nice, Votava! Germanic weapons mass production! Big Grin

My questions, seeing the Foto above: The rear strengthening bars on the shield bottom right corner, is there a prove for this kind of construction? Do you use any material to strenghten the front suface of the shields? What kind of wood do you use?


Czes´c´

Robert
Robert Brosch
www.chasuari.de">www.chasuari.de
Germanic warriors of 1st ct. AD

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#22
Niejako czuje sie wywolany do odpowiedzi, jako konstruktor...OK... I'll try in english :wink:

Quote:The rear strengthening bars on the shield bottom right corner, is there a prove for this kind of construction?
No. Only for some medieval shields. This one is old, made for experiment. I've put it near others just for this picture. So it's not from new line 8)

Quote:Do you use any material to strenghten the front suface of the shields? What kind of wood do you use?
We have some shields without covering and some with glued thin lather. Glue is made from bones. We are also thinking about covering untanned lather. Now we are using it just for shields rims.

All shields are from alder wood except the shield bottom right corner which is pine. After that some oak planks are preparing to become shields...

All shields are flat and 9-10mm thick. The shield bottom in left corner is 16mm thick in the middle and near rim shaved into 3-4mm thick.
pozdrawiam!
Bartosz Gluszczak

Hajris/Dagome chronicles
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#23
At last! The Maker has spoken! Big Grin
Quote:
Quote:The rear strengthening bars on the shield bottom right corner, is there a prove for this kind of construction?
No. Only for some medieval shields. This one is old, made for experiment. I've put it near others just for this picture. So it's not from new line 8)
Exactly - an experiment, an idea of "Tacistu's" plain, simple wood-only shield). It was also inspired by solutions used by Romans.

Quote:All shields are from alder wood except the shield bottom right corner which is pine. After that some oak planks are preparing to become shields...
Pine shield was crashed during the first or second combat (no surprise, nice show). It seems, that this one is made of birch wood. Am I right?
Wojciech Wasiak (Votava)
HARJIS / DAGOME
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#24
Thanks for the infos, you both!

I´m just curious about other solutions of shield construction. In fact your ideas do not differ largely from ours. We have about the same measurements of thicknesses, judged by the archaeological finds of bosses with rivets and metal shield rims.
We think that at least covering the front side with layers of glued (bone or hide glue, the latter is more flexible, a mix of both is the best) linnen makes very sturdy shields. It is wise to tread the back side the same way. Another option is a full cover of raw hide, glued and tighly stiched along the rims (in a not so wet condition of course), with the back covered with linnen. Any sandwich construction is good, but then the wooden core must be much thinner to keep the diameters (4mm rim, 12-15mm center). After doing the suitable paintjob (casein, or oil colours) a whole linseed oil finish makes the shield, especially with raw hide, water resistent. There is at least one rim fragment with traces of linnen inside (Großromstedt, Thuringia) and at Kalkriese we have rim fragments with (ply-) wood and raw hide traces (according to the former restaurator).

We use ash, birch and poplar, or combination of the latter two. Construction is either with 4 to 6 planks glued together or plywood construction (as a cheaper variation). Modern Plywood is ok, as long as it is totally covered with linnen or raw hide.
A simple wooden shield with spina should be of thicker diameter, the way you made it.
We have few shields with metal rims (should be mostly iron and less bronze), and most have only the upper an lower side reinforced with it. Sides are still rimmed with stiched raw hide.

To make the shield more easily to handle we experimented with having the boss and the grip around 1cm above the center of gravity of thhe shield body. It is hardly optically noticeable and makes the shield more bearable when holding it with extended arm.

Concearning the the strenghening bars, I just was asking, since I saw Przeworks-shield reconstructions with that elsewhere and was wondering, if that might be a proven thing. Not that I think such construction is totally unauthentic (at least when using iron nails instead of wooden pegs), but with a well made covering it might be dispensible.

Ok, have some more experiences shared in here, even if we will meet at Kalkriese anyway Big Grin


czes´c´
Robert Brosch
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Germanic warriors of 1st ct. AD

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#25
Somewhere I saw a reconstruction of a plank shield that used iron straps on the back, with the nailheads riveted through holes in the strap, two per plank. IIRC, there were three straps, one each near the top and bottom, and the one across the center forming the main structure of the handle. Seems to me that they were around 1 1/4" wide, and the center of the handle strap was curved into a loose tube. Rivets from the boss went through the center strap, also.

It's been a while since I saw that, though, so I can't be more specific. At any rate, that is what I remember.
M. Demetrius Abicio
(David Wills)

Saepe veritas est dura.
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#26
Quote:Somewhere I saw a reconstruction of a plank shield that used iron straps on the back, with the nailheads riveted through holes in the strap, two per plank. IIRC, there were three straps, one each near the top and bottom, and the one across the center forming the main structure of the handle. Seems to me that they were around 1 1/4" wide, and the center of the handle strap was curved into a loose tube. Rivets from the boss went through the center strap, also.

It's been a while since I saw that, though, so I can't be more specific. At any rate, that is what I remember.


Something like this?
http://www.customknife.republika.pl/swor...ia[ar].jpg
Whereas it seems, that it is a single piece of wood.


cheers

ghandi
Robert Brosch
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#27
Sort of That's the idea, anyway. The one I remember was 3 or 4 planks wide, and the more typical oval shape. Oh, well.
M. Demetrius Abicio
(David Wills)

Saepe veritas est dura.
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#28
Thank you for your advises Ghandi! Interesting idea of mixing two types of glue.

Quote:Not that I think such construction is totally unauthentic (at least when using iron nails instead of wooden pegs), but with a well made covering it might be dispensible.
Exactly Smile . Agree.

Quote:It is wise to tread the back side the same way. Another option is a full cover of raw hide, glued and tighly stiched along the rims (in a not so wet condition of course), with the back covered with linnen.
My first shield is made with linen layer inside and leather layer outside. Rims are made after the Fectio's shield-guide. It has helped us very much at the beginning.
You can see this black, hexagonal shield above.

One of our first shields, secured by layer of linen inside and outside, still keeps itself together (hardly Smile ). It has been hit with different sharp edged kinds of weapon for several years.

In the attachment you can see two wood-only (without any horizontal bares, but with iron bosses). It is easy to find which is made of pine, which is made of birch.
Wojciech Wasiak (Votava)
HARJIS / DAGOME
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