How very true....

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Well, I know baby oil is not a good idea, but I imagine the Greeks did not rub olive oil on their bodies just so they looked good in the gym......
but I had not thought about a protective element to it... :? ) D D

Mind you, the place will be smelling a little different to what I am used to!

The combo Roman lamps and Greek shade/lamp holders throw off good heat as well as light!

[Jona Lendering]

but I had not thought about a protective element to it...

It's mentioned by Curtius Rufus, when he describes how the Macedonians went through a particularly hot part of a desert. I think they were informed by the locals that they had to protect themselves with oil or another greasy substance. I think that in their own land, they did not need it.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Well, perhaps not in macedonia....Greece herself i wonder though. :?

[Hibernicus]

GLOBAL WARMING????

of course!!

It always happens after an ice age.. duh!

Nice thing: places like Canada and Russia with one wheat harvest per year will have 2-3.

Those carbo producing rainfortests wil reduce in size and be better available for grain and marketable lumber and grasses to make ethanol and pul MORE carbon out of the air than before.

Intelligent people will use nuclear to desaliante sea water to irrigate the North Americna Plains, the Sahara, the Taklamakan

Did you know that EARTH is usually 10F warmer on average than it is now?

And places like Palm Springs will be seaside communities. How cool is that!


HIB

[Robert Vermaat]

I read an article which was completely genuine on a UK site saying if this global warming continues the UK could turn into the Mediterranean. For me this would be rubbish, I don't the heat and I'd have to migrate North ?

For an island that has had problems during recent years of not enough water, I find that optimism starngely short-sighted. Nice temperatures, sure, but go ask islands in the med where they get their water. Rainfall patterns are changing as well, you know...

Nice thing: places like Canada and Russia with one wheat harvest per year will have 2-3.

Will they? And where does the water from to create those harvests? Even now, Russia has not enough water, and the former Spviet Union made plans to divert the flow of several rivers to change that - even contemplation nuclear explosions to do that! hock:
Where are the mighty rivers of canada? How much water do the Great Lakes contain? Enough to pump water out of them for two more harvests?

Those carbo producing rainfortests wil reduce in size and be better available for grain and marketable lumber and grasses to make ethanol and pul MORE carbon out of the air than before.

Producing? Only if you cut them down and burn them. Until then, they collect Co2.
besides, it does not really matter, because rising water temperatures release the Methane from the seabed, and that's greenhouse gas that makes Co2 look like a toddler.

Intelligent people will use nuclear to desaliante sea water to irrigate the North Americna Plains, the Sahara, the Taklamakan

Those areas will indeed we deserts comparable to Death valley. Useless to irrigate them, dehydration will take the moisture out of the soil before it reaches the plant. Best use desalination plants for the needs of the population, they'll need it.

And places like Palm Springs will be seaside communities. How cool is that!

Seaside towen on a desert coast like Namibia. Oh yes. Cool.

[Tarbicus]

Did you know that EARTH is usually 10F warmer on average than it is now?

You mean when humans never existed over seven million years ago, only small mammals, before the climate went colder causing primate specialisation?

Yup, great thing global warming .... for reptiles and very small mammals. Ever considered why reptiles dominated the food chain for all those many millions of years?

The latest estimate for sea level rise isn't a constant rise around the world as most assumed. If Greenland melts the water will be Atlantic based, meaning all of that estimated rise will be confined to only the Atlantic. It will take many decades to make its way to the rest of the world's oceans and seas. So when it seems no big deal, we'll deal with it,...

Fifty years after the meltwater is released from Greenland, Stammer's model predicts, sea-level rise could be 30 times greater around Greenland and down the eastern side of North America, including the Gulf of Mexico, than in the Pacific Ocean.

Meanwhile, sea-level rises in Europe are around six times that of the Pacific, but only a fifth as great as on the opposite shore of the Atlantic.

New Scientist - Slow Wave

Still, grizzlies mating with polar bears (called pizzly, grolar or nanulak) is a bit of a lark ..... sort of. And keep digging those tornado shelters.

[Narukami]

Tarbicus,

I must take exception to one thing you said (and just one):

Dinosaurs were not reptiles.

In fact current research has caused a reevaluation of just what a reptile is and who belongs in that classification.

Dinosaurs have more in common with birds than they do reptiles.

"On the vertebrate family tree, crocodiles are more closely related to birds than they are to lizards and snakes, and dinosaurs are the transitional group that emphasizes this intimate relationship. Scientists do not yet know enough about dinosaur origins to say from which ancestors they arose or when. However, they do think dinosaurs are a natural group of their own, because they have found a number of shared derived characters common to all dinosaurs, hinting that they all shared a common ancestor." The Dinosaur Encyclopedia by Don Lessem & Donald Glut 1993

Of course this field of study continues to evolve so who can say for certain just what we will "know" about dinosaurs in another ten or twenty years?

I admit it is a minor point, and otherwise I agree with your statement.

Although...

It has been a rather temperate summer -- so far... :wink:

Narukami

[Gaius Decius Aquilius]

In fact current research has caused a reevaluation of just what a reptile is and who belongs in that classification.

Sir,

This comment has given me to pause and seriously ponder the actual classification of many of my relatives.

Ralph

[Tarbicus]

Sorry, you're right, I did. That said, though:

Tomasz Owerkowicz, a researcher at Harvard, has worked with living animals, both lizard and mammal, and shown that tiny blood vessels trapped in bone doesn't mean that an animal is warm-blooded, but that the animal is very active. He trained half his lab animals on tread mills everyday for months, while the other half sat around in their cages. Upon examining their bones he couldn't tell the cold-blooded ones apart from the warm-blooded ones. He could only tell the active ones from the couch potatoes....

....The new evidence that dinosaurs were cold-blooded comes from John Ruben, a physiologist with Oregon State University. He noticed that all warm-blooded animals alive now, both birds and mammals (including humans), have tiny, thin, curled structures behind their noses called turbinates. Cold-blooded animals don't have them. The purpose of these structures are to cool the warm air as it leaves the body during exhalation.

Since cool air holds less moisture than warm air this causes water to condense on the turbinates (just like droplets condense on the outside of a glass of ice water standing in the hot summer air). An inhalation of dry air causes the droplets on the turbinates to be reabsorbed and go back into the body. This saves the animal from losing precious water. This is especially important for warm-blooded animals because they breathe much more, and much warmer, air in and out than do cold-blooded animals.

Ruben has shown fossilized dinosaur skulls lack the boney ridges that turbinates would have attached to if dinosaurs would had had them. He can find them in fossilized mammals of the same period. http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/colddino.htm

Beware trendy trends in science. :wink:

[Narukami]

Fascinating

Indeed, dinosaurs may have been cold blooded but I think they belonged to a species or group distinct from reptiles.

It is amazing that as each year passes we discover new and ever more intricate details about the dinosaurs. The picture we have of them today is so markedly different from that which was the "accepted wisdom" when we were kids discovering them for the first time. The gods alone know what view our children and grandchildren will have of them when they reach our age.

As always Tarbicus you seem to find the most appropriate internet site for the discussion at hand.

:wink:

Narukami

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Odd, just seems like yesterday the newest information was...Dinosaurs
may have been warm blooded..... :roll:

Seems we can set our clocks by the flip-flops in the scientific community.... lol: :lol: :lol:

[Narukami]

Unless that clock is governed by the laws of Quantum Mechanics, in which case all bets are off.

Spooky action from a distance -- it made Einstein nervous.

And then there is String Theory.

You can never be certain if you just flipped or flopped.

Makes dinosaur evolution seem pretty stable by comparison

shock: :? oops: :roll: :wink:

Narukami

[Hibernicus]

American dinos were warm blooded
EU dinos: cold blooded
.. get it right you guys!

Jeez!!

Hibernicus