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Name of an Auxillia unit.
#1
Avete.
Since our Auxillia will be attached to Matt Lanteigne's Legio IIII, I was wondering what the name would be?
I was thinking "Legio IIII Auxillia Romanorum Pia Fidelis"
Would that be acceptable? If not (or even if it would be) what naming conventions are acceptable for a unit of Auxillia from the 1st century?
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#2
I think the best thing to do, rather than inventing a name, would be to check on which genuine auxilia units were stationed in the same places as Legio IIII and name yourselves after them.

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#3
Quote:I think the best thing to do, rather than inventing a name, would be to check on which genuine auxilia units were stationed in the same places as Legio IIII and name yourselves after them.

Crispvs

Crispvs,
Excellent advice. Any idea where I might find such information?

(try not to forget that I'm coming from an SCA background where history is only adhered to when it's convenient. Shameful but there you have it. And as a blacksmith I'm very much used to looking at a drawing of a thing and then re-creating it. This research stuff is hard! :wink: )
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#4
Found this Pedro, a pretty big list of named auxillia units in Dacia...someone who actually knows more about aux. units can chime in on it's accuracy, but it's a start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ro ... ts#cnote_h
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#5
Pedro,
I can help you with Auxilia Units. I have Spaul's book, that has a good listing of Auxilia Units.

I am away on a work related trip, but if you can wait till the weekend, I can give you a list of units that could have served with or near LEG IIII.


Shoot me a PM or E-mail and I will send what I can find directly to you.
v/r
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#6
Thanks for that offer Mike! A laudes for you.
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#7
Indeed!
Thanks very much Mike it's very much appreciated.
I'll send you a PM right away.
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#8
Gents,
I am initially coming up with 27 separate auxilia units. We have Alae, COH.EQ, and COH.PED.

Spaul has a pretty good run down and listing.

Matt, and Pedro, I will shoot you each a PM as I need to ask a few questions to narrow the listing a bit.

Mike
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#9
Quote:... a pretty big list of named auxillia units in Dacia ...
So is your group specifically Trajanic? (Legion IV Flavia was mostly at Singidunum, in Moesia Superior, and only briefly in Dacia, in the aftermath of Trajan's Dacian Wars.)
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#10
Yep...we do IIII Flavia right at the immediate conclusion of the 2nd Dacian war, which puts us late in the campaign season of 105 AD.
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Quote:... which puts us late in the campaign season of 105 AD.
That gives you great scope, Pedro -- there must be dozens of units to choose from! Smile
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#12
Believe it or not, because we do know that IIII Flavia built a fortress in 105 AD at Sarmizetusa/ Ulpia Traiana (Campbell, 25-26, Roman Legionary Fortress Smile ) it narrows down considerably the number of possible Auxilia to 11 units that might have had some type of working relationship based on cross reference through Cheesman and Spaul.

There is documentation of at least 27-29 known Auxilia units in Dacia around 105-155 AD according to Spaul and Cheesman.

That list gets narrowed down to 11 based on location. I am going with known auxiliary forts that would have been 2-3 days march or one heck of a good horse ride from Ulpia Traiana. In addition, I am using known dated diplomas, and other finds.

I spent a few hours looking over Romanian maps also to help validate some of the distances. Not all the spellings translate well from Romanian to English, much like with Korean I am discovering so this adds a little spice in things.

Is it an exact science, nope, but we can at least get to some Auxilia units that were closely located to IIII Flavia.

The 11 semi finalists are:

I Alpinorum
I Bracaraugustanorum
II Gallorum et Pannonica(later named) Dacia equitata
II Gallorum et Pannoniorum
V Gallorum
IIII Hispanorum equitata
I Augusta Ituraeorum
VIII Raetorum
I Thracum Sagittaria
I Vbiorum equitata
I Vindelicorum

Based on what I can read up on each unit, I expect a few more to drop off.

V/r
Mike
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#13
Quote:(Campbell, 25-26, Roman Legionary Fortresses)
Who?! :wink:

Quote:There is documentation of at least 27-29 known auxilia units in Dacia around 105-155 AD according to Spaul and Cheesman.
I was close -- I reckoned on dozens!

Quote:I spent a few hours looking over Romanian maps also to help validate some of the distances.
Good job, Mike. Thanks for the list.
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#14
Wow.
Great work Mike. Some interesting names there.
Question though, does Equitata mean it was a cavalry unit and does Sagittaria mean it was an archery unit?
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Question though, does Equitata mean it was a cavalry unit and does Sagittaria mean it was an archery unit?

Pedro,

Equitata units were a composite unit of Cavalry and Infantry. A very flexible combination IMHO.

Sagittatia were archers as best as we know, with the bulk of them being recruited from the Roman East. They seem to be one of the few Auxilia units that kept their ethnic background by and large due to their specialized skills. I am, however, not that well versed in the composition of these units, so if anyone else can chime in, please do so. I think there are several posting here on them also.

I am still hitting the books, more to follow.

v/r
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