Were pteruges attached to a leather jerkin for Tribunes?

[Theodosius the Great]

Hi, I'm new on the block and I was wondering if anyone knows how pteruges were worn by legates, tribunes, consuls, or emperors? They would've worn a muscled cuirass. I'm pretty sure pteruges were NOT riveted to the armor. So what are the current theories? Were they attached to a subarmilis or maybe a leather jerkin? I'm going for the look of a tribune.<br>
Can anyone help ?<br>
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Thanks in advance.<br>
-Theodosius <p></p><i></i>

[Jeroen Pelgrom]

Salve,<br>
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If i remember correctly, the pteruges were a part of the subarmalis which was worn underneath the armour. <p>-------------------------------------------------------<br>
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[mcbishop]

<em>If i remember correctly, the pteruges were a part of the subarmalis which was worn underneath the armour.</em><br>
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This is not known for certain but it is a reasonable assumption. There is a relief of what is assumed to be a arming doublet, with pteryges, in the Museo delle Terme in Rome (Fig.158 in Robinson's AOIR).<br>
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Mike Bishop <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

I don't know whether they are modern restorations, but several roman statues in the Louvre museum show what looks like leather jerkins, with pteryges attached for some.<br>
They are shown lying on the ground on the statues' pedestals and the folds make me think of thick suede type of leather.<br>
Methink the pteryges could be either attached or not attached to anything. I even think that in certain cases they were worn over the cuirass (see the Louvre "praetorian" reliefs - the central figure).<br>
Evidence of pteryges being worn, over the cuirass can also be seen on the Portonaccio sarcophagus (the central, faceless figure) as well as on the tombstone of Severius Acceptus in Istambul.<br>
On both cases we can see, from the top down: a row of pteryges, round lappets, then another row of pteryges.<br>
It can only mean one thing: the upper row of pteryges was worn over the cuirass. The cuirass itself being worn with an arming doublet fitted with the usual round lappets and another row of pteryges. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antoninuslucretius@romanarmytalk>Antoninus Lucretius</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://lucretius.homestead.com/files/Cesar_triste.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 6/30/04 12:13 pm<br></i>

[Anonymous]

Ave Theodosius,<br>
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My suggestion would be to attach the two layers of pteruges to the subarmalis, and the layer of short lapets to the edge of the armor. That way the lapets are always nicely lined up with the edge at the right length in the right spot. My experience with pteruges indicates that they have tendency to go where they will. Our Praefectus Julius built his on that system and it worked very well. I wish I had a picture of him to post for you.<br>
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Vale, Q Florentivs<br>
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