Ljubljanica Sword and Scabbard info

[brennivs - tony drake]

I have been asked to do the above scabbard I have one line drawen of it and a few photo D D
Regards Brennivs

[LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS]

SIR; YES; SIR:


http://www.jrmes.org.uk/j1101.htm

Its detailed enough?

[brennivs - tony drake]

Lvcivs lavdes for that great some good views on the fittings.
Regards Brennivs

[sulla felix]

Matt Lukes did one of these and might be able to help?

[brennivs - tony drake]

Thanks Svlla, I will drop him a line chears
Regards Brennivs

[sulla felix]

I'd be interested to see how you deal with that strange looking fitting on the rear of the scabbard. Is it some kind of attachment for the belt?

[Peroni]

Here's a download-able pdf file article with detailed drawings Tony...
Adjust zoom to 400% and they are approx. actual size :wink:

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?src ... stenic_mec

Matt's recon...


Erik Kõnig's recon...

[brennivs - tony drake]

Thanks Peroni D
Regards Brennivs

[brennivs - tony drake]

Good point Svlla I have done a quick study last night and mentioned it to the client;
1. Is it Roman :?:
2. If not was it converted by a Roman to take rings :?:
4. Or was it converted from a Roman sword to take a chain belt :?:
5. The fitting on the back looks like it had a chain belt fitted as it shows
some wear :?:
As ever I might be going down the wrong road :lol: So if anyone has thoughts on it I would like to hear D many questions.
Regards Brennivs

[Peroni]

4. Or was it converted from a Roman sword to take a chain belt
5. The fitting on the back looks like it had a chain belt fitted as it shows
some wear

Considering that all the suspension loops are broken I would hazard a guess at it being altered to take the chain belt AFTER! Who knows?? After all, as it was depsited in a river, the suspension loops could just have been worn away!

The snake heads.. do they fit with the rest of the scabbard style? Difficult to say.

The suspension loops.. do they fit in with the rest of the scabbard style? More so than the snakes, as we see this method of suspension on other scabbards in the article. They are cruder in style than the rest of the net fitting though.

Shouldn't fancy that chain fitting digging into me if it was altered to be on a four ring system though! :wink:

[LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS]

I agree with Peroni. If you take off the strange suspension block, you have a typical roman suspension sword with four rings, and without any decoration.

The suspension piece and its subjection system to the scabbard looks more celtic. Even the wolf/fox heads are more a celtic style than roman. And you can adapt easily to a suspension system like the more often used by celts:

http://www.archeoart.org/images/Mathieu_2005.pdf

[brennivs - tony drake]

Lvcivs thats what had me thinking it has a Roman element and a Celtic element. Which is why I thought that at some point it was converted :? Hmm.
Regards Brennivs

[Folkert van Wijk]

In my opinion isn't this suspension typical "Celtic" either...
"Celtic" suspension systems do normally have a simple vertical loop,
through that go's a leather strap that connects the two iron rings...

[brennivs - tony drake]

Yes that is another thing most Celtic swords have a slide on the back. but If the sword doesnt have a metal back to put the slide on so could this be away of being able to attach a belt too. Again interesting
Regards Brennivs