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Late Roman baldrics
#16
John,

Thanks for your comments. My tunic is copied from one auctioned at Christies a couple of years back and the dimensions are correct but I have embroidered the decoration rather than somehow weaving it in. This decoration was unfinished when the photo was taken. The shoes are a simplified copy of the well known Deurne shoe and my belt is 2 1/2 inches wide with propellor fittings. The helmet has been rather badly served by the effects of light in the photo and is actually somewhat taller than it appears in the picture. The nasal is buckled for some reason and I keep forgetting to bring a strong pair of pliers with me to fix it when we do multi-period displays.

With regard to the third century figure behind me, I have asked several times for the evidence for these doublings and no-one has given me a satisfactory answer so far. The armour is a steel lamellar (so-called at any rate) which I rather feel would be better matched with a scale gorget like the one from Carlisle. Perhaps we may consider ditching the red Greek style doubling if no evidence is produced. Unfortunately this piece was made some time before I joined the group and was forgotten about for a while. Even the longer standing members of the group sem to have only a hazy idea of its origins.

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#17
The doublings look as though they would be better on a Republican Hamata?
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#18
I have a good pic off Fronto wearing that Lamela in 1990? with If I remmember right with the Neidamontia helmet sorry for the spelling :oops: with a 3rd AD gladius with the diamond point how a Miles can bribe for not showing :evil: :twisted: :lol:
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#19
Show us Tony!! Big Grin
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#21
Quote: the Neidamontia helmet sorry for the spelling :oops:
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#22
Thanks Vortigern :oops: :oops: Big Grin lol: Big Grin
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#23
A linked thought (though not about Fronto!)

Looking closer at the Honorius and Stilicho pictures at the head of the thread, both appear to have an unusual sword hilt
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I can't find a similar archeological record, but any thoughts as to how this might be reconstructed? Honorius' looks like leather with metal?

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#24
It looks a bit like the hilt in this picture. A reconstruction of a late Roman foederatus, made by Holger Ratsdorf:

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The grip is leather over wood I believe.

Holger once told me that in his opinion these kind of hilts were probably much more common in the Late Roman period than bone hilts. I don't know on what information he bases this, though.

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#25
The dummy is carrying an Oakeshott type 1 hilt, which comes into fashion in the 3rd century. They have a long life span, lasting until the 7th century. These hilts are generally organic, probably wood but sometimes covered in silver or gold foil. I seem to be carrying one of these this season.

Honorius is carrying what I've heard described as a Gothic hilt, but I can find no evidence for the name. I believe Salvianus may have ordered one of these from our Comitatus sword maker, so you would not be the first Caballo!
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#26
OOw talking swords Big Grin ? Hmmm.
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#27
Late Roman swords are important! Please find the book!!!
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#28
Will try Big Grin lol: Big Grin
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#29
When it comes to Germanic equipment from this period I first turn to "The Spoils of Victory" from the National Museum of Denmark and Oakeshott. But the doomed nature of the cap on the pommel of Honorius is very unusual. I would appreciate other examples.
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#30
Tony, is that not what you were refering to when you were talking about the evolution of hilts into the stone pommel.....perhaps?
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