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Loculus
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ok this is the second attemp as it appears it is impossable to not have the power going out today! I will simply describe the bag- This is my first attempt at anything like this . It is veg tanned hide with natural dye oils & thread. It is all hand sew. inside teh bag is sealed with bees wax as are all sew holes. outside is seal with oils. handle is filled with natural cotton fillermaking it more comfort on the hand. the shoulder strap is only sew on one side. the other side is punched in the strap and a thin leather strip cut from the same hide as the rest of the bag this way it can be undone wrapped about the pole and other smaller bag and reattached to the ring. this becomes very secure. the studded ring is brass and strap rings are brass. in short the reason I went with colour is you see widespread use of colour in every aspect of ancient rome. unfortunatly no original loculus has been found so we can only go by the pattern from Trajan Column and other similar images. but colour was used in walls statues columns and even the trajan column was coloured. There was even a caligae from somewhere I remember seeing had been red. it is as easy to say that they were left natural and simply oiled ( and no doubt most probably were ) but it is almost probable at least highly possable that some were coloured. we have seen items personalised before ( like helms with engraving ) we knwo the romans fondness of colour so how far off would it be to make a conclusion that some packs were coloured. For all we know all could have been. Economically would suggest that they would be left raw and probably unoiled until recieved by the soldier but without any evidence I have to see so far anything would be possable. We know that kit was altered and upgraded and modified. would it be hard to assume someone with a few extra denarii would be able to get some dye locally available and colour his own pack? OR give a few extra denarii to whoever was making leather gods and probably these packs as well who would most certainly have some sorts of dyes available there or with the people dying wools and have tehm colour thier bag? Items such as belts & daggers recieved inlays gilding silvering usw.
Any constructive comments and ideas or thoughts are welcome.

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Here are the remaining pics

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I like those colors!
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#4
That's totally gorgeous! Good construction technique, and a laud to you for being bold and dyeing it a color other than russet! Very nice work.
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#5
Bravo! Green looks fantastic!

I really like how people are using more dyes in their leather now...
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#6
Great color! I'd love to follow suit and dye my leathers some appropriate color some day.
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#7
Now the big question: is the green color waterproof, or will rain make the green bleed onto whatever is near it?
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#8
Very nice, maybe I gonna dye the next one I'll make too. Here a picture of my first one, almost finished.

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Quote:Now the big question: is the green color waterproof, or will rain make the green bleed onto whatever is near it?

it looks to be very water proof. I spray water on it and laid some natural linen under and did not see any dye. I wrapped the linen on the bag after it was wet and also no dye.


jvrjenivs - Very nice looking bag! well done!

Thanks all for the kind words.
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I have a question in referance to colour. What I am looking for is info on Woad. How dark ( particularly what modern shade is it Royal, navy etc ) Also can it be used for dying wools leather etc?
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#11
Woad contains the same chemical that is in indigo. That is the color of new blue cotton denim jeans, in its most concentrated. So anything from new blue jeans to faded color would be appropriate if you're imitating woad. Royal blue might be a little dark, as it contains black (if you're mixing colors that is).

Which dipping in the vat makes a difference in color strength. A nice, rich, pure blue would be probably just about right. Not sure what the label will say for that. "Denim"?

I actually could not prove that woad was used for leather dye, but it was certainly used for cloth.
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