1stcentury off-duty clothing

[Q. Vipsanivs Praetextatvs]

Thank you very much for you answer :wink:

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

So where do we get the term 'Tribune of the wide stripe'? :?

[Q. Vipsanivs Praetextatvs]

A person who is doing the cursus honorum must be a tribune first (be in the army), a person who is doing the cursus honorum is in the senate.
A senator wear a tunica/toga laticlavia, wide stripe.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Have to admit i am a bit hazy on my social structure...seem to have forgotten exact levels one had to rise through before being admitted as a senator....now could a senator still be given the rank of tribune in later periods.... :? roll: :?

OK read it again and seem to see you are saying a newly appointed senator? having a blond moment again here....... :roll:

[Matthew Amt]

Underage boys frequently wore a hem stripe of red, I read. But when they came of age, and wore the toga publicly for the first time, they thereafter wore plain white tunicae.

As I understand it, underage boys *and girls* wore a TOGA with a purple/purplish border--essentially the same toga praetexta worn by praetors, consuls, and censors. At the age of adulthood, girls changed to women's clothing, while boys got the plain white toga virilis. A boy's tunic would have been the same as any man's.

I'd still like to see any solid evidence for stripes on the hems or sleeves of Roman tunics. Anyone?

Valete,

Matthew

[Q. Vipsanivs Praetextatvs]

Have to admit i am a bit hazy on my social structure...seem to have forgotten exact levels one had to rise through before being admitted as a senator....now could a senator still be given the rank of tribune in later periods.... :? roll: :?

OK read it again and seem to see you are saying a newly appointed senator? having a blond moment again here....... :roll:

A tribune normally was an inexperienced and also young boy, who has begun his cursus honorum.
When you begin the cursus honorum, normally you are a member of the senatorial album.

In Caesar's times the senate had 900 members.


I don't know if I'm answering your question...

[Marcus Mummius]

A tribune of the wide stripe would be a Tribunus Laticlavuus (two wide clavi). He was of the senatorial class (father a senator). He was appointed as second in command to the legate of a legion. But we do not know how much power the inexperienced tribune really held.

There was only one of these young tribunes in a legion normally.

A tribunus angusticlavus was of equestrian rank. There were 5 of these in a legion I believe. They were more experienced and older than the tribunus laticlavuus most of the time. They also remained in the legion much longer than the Tribunus Laticlavuus.

Vale,

[Marcus Julius]

I will also add my praise to Graham's book! Very well done, and worth every denarii!

Indeed, the RMC books are the only Osprey's that I consider reference. All others I classify as 'teasers'.

Matt, I could give you sources for hem and sleeve stripes in "late" roman tunics, but none previous to 3rd Century.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Yes that all sounds closer to what I was remembering.

Thank you guys.

[DECIMvS MERCATIvS VARIANvS]

I'd still like to see any solid evidence for stripes on the hems or sleeves of Roman tunics. Anyone?
Matthew

I'd like to see solid evidence for most of what we do... 2000 years is a looonnngggg time and I have this notion that many of the notions we hold dear right now might be, shall we say, a bit... off...

[Caius Fabius]

off duty? I wonder if the Roman army centurion was ever really off duty, and could have distinctive dress for those times? Or is this a modern concept? Perhaps the Roman centurion was always wearing a red tunic, even when 'off duty', and carryng a vine staff? Maybe the reason the centurions petitioned to wear white during one triumph, was so they could join in the after parade festivities without having to be 'on duty'?
We always seem to see the past in the framework of our modern day experiences.

[Tarbicus]

A tribune normally was an inexperienced and also young boy, who has begun his cursus honorum.
When you begin the cursus honorum, normally you are a member of the senatorial album.

And here lies one of the biggest problems with what we do IMHO. Tribunes were varied over many centuries - some were just as described, but others were hard-nosed career military men. It also flows into the tunic colour debate, the uniformity debate, and the big problem is when "IT MUST BE SO....".

Just look at the Miks book on gladii, which seriously contradicts many of the taboos about your gladius here and there.

[Come in Nighthawk]

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Just look at the Miks book on gladii, which seriously contradicts many of the taboos about your gladius here and there.

Book on "gladii?" Been off the net for a bit. May I have a full cite so I can hunt this up? Thanks! :?: