Romans in the Americas

[Roman Centurio]

I think so. May not be known that they went to Ireland but I think they got there but don't think they stayed there too long. Romans even went as far as modern day Mexico and other countries in South America so I don't see why not.

[Marcus Cassius LegioXIV]

I think so. May not be known that they went to Ireland but I think they got there but don't think they stayed there too long. Romans even went as far as modern day Mexico and other countries in South America so I don't see why not.

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[DanM]

I think so. May not be known that they went to Ireland but I think they got there but don't think they stayed there too long. Romans even went as far as modern day Mexico and other countries in South America so I don't see why not.

:? ? ? shock:

But didn't they find roman coins in many places in the americas?

[Roman Centurio]

Yes. Here is what I read years ago..

# Coins:

* Roman coins have been found in Venezuela and Maine.
*
Roman coins were found in Texas at the bottom of an Indian mound at Round Rock. The mound is dated at approximately 800 AD.

* In 1957 by a small boy found a coin in a field near Phoenix City, Alabama, from Syracuse, on the island of Sicily, and dating from 490 B.C.

* In the town of Heavener, Oklahoma, another out-of-place coin was found in 1976. Experts identified it as a bronze tetradrachm originally struck in Antioch, Syria in 63 A.D. and bearing the profile of the emperor Nero.

# Pottery: Roman pottery was unearthed in Mexico that, according to its style, has been dated to the second century A.D.


# Inscriptions:

* In 1966, a man named Manfred Metcalf stumbled upon a stone in the state of Georgia that bears an inscription that is very similar to ancient writing from the island of Crete called "Cretan Linear A and B writing."

* In the early 1900s, Bernardo da Silva Ramos, a Brazilian rubber-tapper working in the Amazon jungle, found many large rocks on which was inscribed more than 2,000 ancient scripts about the "Old World."


# Pictures: An experienced botanist has identified plants in an ancient fresco painting as a pineapple and a specific species of squash - both native to the Americas. Yet the fresco is in the Roman city of Pompeii.

# Statues: In 1933, in a burial at Calixtlahuaca, Mexico, archaeologist José García Payón discovered a small carved head with "foreign" features in an undisturbed burial site. It was later identified by anthropologist Robert Heine-Geldern as "unquestionably" from the Hellenistic-Roman school of art and suggested a date of "around AD 200."


# Ships: In 1886, the remains of a shipwreck was found in Galveston Bay, Texas. Its construction is typically Roman.

# Toys: A doll made of wood and wax was found deep in a "Well of Sacrifice" at Chichén Itzá, Mexico, on which is written Roman script.

# The remains of an ancient bridge. Also in Galveston Bay, the timbers of an old bridge were found under 15 feet of sediment. A similar divergence of opinion prevails here.

# Language concordances. Belfiglio has pointed out many similarities between Latin and a dialect of the now-extinct Karankawas tribe. No comment here from the language experts.

[Decius]

what's your source?

[Roman Centurio]

http://paranormal.about.com/library/wee ... 80700a.htm

[Tiberius Clodius Corvinus]

http://paranormal.about.com/library/week...80700a.htm

Hmm ... A website what hosts videos/topics of a vampire woman, real ghosts and I cite "...weird creatures/monster" is rather not a reliable source in the scientific sense, to say the least.

[Marcus Cassius LegioXIV]

Well what I've heard to explain the coins in the Americans is, coins can be reused, be it gold or silver. Might be a pain to remelt it to a newer style. These Roman coins I'm sure could have been found after being buried then reused or somehow were kept as hoards by nobles and kings, etc. So, basically what I've heard, some Conquistador OR even a Viking had a Roman coin then dropped it or traded in the Americas.

The pottery, again what I've heard, is just the STYLE of Roman pottery, but not made when the Romans were around. Then the other things that have been listed sound like they were found out by amateur type people with most likely little or no true known of the Roman world, or maybe they do and there just nuts or maybe looking to be the one that found the big find!

I could be wrong about all this though, but I'll leave that to other people. I do remember this being brought up a couple of years ago though, the whole Romans in the Americas.
Although, maybe just maybe some ancient peoples got to the new world, I have a feelin, it would have been a one way trip!

[Vincula]

Asterix went to America so why not the romans?

[Roman Centurio]

It's reliable enough to me. Plus experts say that Romans ships were capable of sailing to the Americas. I think there are places they went to that are unknown.

[Robert Vermaat]

It's reliable enough to me. Plus experts say that Romans ships were capable of sailing to the Americas. I think there are places they went to that are unknown.

Mr Raitano, I've sent you a second message about your signature. Please comply with the forum rules.

As to your list above, I see no references, which means just about anyone could make such claims. Reports from the 19th century are notoriously unreliable, because every scholar and/or journalist had nothing to compare their claim with - archaeology had not yet been invented, let alone established as a proper science.

How about this for a question: if the Romans supposedly moved all kinds of stuff across the ocean, apparently built bridges and made a tribe speak Latin for move than a millennium, then
a) how come we never read a single report in even a single source of this enterprise , and
b) how come we had to wait another 1000 years for goodies like popcorn and the potato?

I'm moving this part to the OT section, next to 'Romans in China'.

[Caius Valens]

Hmm..... Caius here I would like to share my views on this subject. The Roman Navy was a powerful fleet proably on par with the Royal Navy in the 17th, 18th Century. Having swept the seas of pirates this force proably went looking for new and greater Challenges. ie Exploring. are you really going to say with a straight face that this fleet would have been content merely to ba a transport arm for the Roman Army?! I too have read reports over the years of roman coins found in America, and of the (roman) ship wreck in Texas. In the 19th century one of the tasks of the US Coast Guard was to be on the lookout for derlicts ships abonded by their thir crews so they would not get into the shipping lanes and cause problems, sometimes a wooden ship and stay afloat for a long time and can drift across an ocean. Also I wish to point some thing out dont be some ready to dismiss something due to a lack of evidnce. In Canada in the 1950s-1970s if you had suggested that the Vikings had settled in Canada and explored parts of it they would be quite ready to question your mental health! In 2008 in Newfoundland there is for all the world to see a Viking Settlement. There is now in Canada a theory that Mediveal exploers came here, I can here the mocking laughter, just when I was a boy I used to hear the same laughter about Vikings. In Conculsion I think a powerful fleet like the Roman Navy would hace been up to the challenges of expoleration and it is quite possible for them to have reached North America If the Vikings could have done it in their ships are you really going to say a Roman warship could not have done it Really come on!

[Decius]

It's reliable enough to me. Plus experts say that Romans ships were capable of sailing to the Americas. I think there are places they went to that are unknown.

How about this for a question: if the Romans supposedly moved all kinds of stuff across the ocean, apparently built bridges and made a tribe speak Latin for move than a millennium, then
a) how come we never read a single report in even a single source of this enterprise , and
b) how come we had to wait another 1000 years for goodies like popcorn and the potato?

I'm moving this part to the OT section, next to 'Romans in China'.

laudes. thread closed. 8)

[MARCVS PETRONIVS MAIVS]

Well, in all honesty, I don't see a problem with the Romans having been to the Americas. Maybe they did.

When people think of Romans going to the Americas they always think of official military expeditions with colonisation and conquering in mind, the conquest of Britain being an example. People never consider other kinds of roman presence in the americas, even accidental.

Is there seriously anything wrong with supposing a small fleet or even one single trireme got caught in a storm near England, Hispania/Lusitania and so forth and may have got way off course and drifted all the way over here?

One single trireme could explain a lot of these ''supposed finds'' such as pottery, gold, coins, etc. Eventually they mingled with the natives and the roman blood got watered down. It is a possibility. I don't think any of them ever returned though, or we would have our ''reports'' and ''sources''.

[Lanista]

It is a possibility. I don't think any of them ever returned though, or we would have our ''reports'' and ''sources''.

Quite so - it's certainly possible, I think. And a great idea for an alternate historical novel too....