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Roman Armour timeline
#1
Salve,

I was wondering if someone could shed some light on a reasonable timeline for the different types of Roman armour... as in when it was introduced and when it faded from view. (Variants would be appreciated as well i.e. Segmentata: Newstead, Corbridge A/B, kalkreise etc...
Does not have to be bang on, even ballpark will suffice.

Gratiam habeo,

Phillip
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#2
I can't really help with this, but I'd be VERY interested too! 8) Big Grin

Greetz,
Manuel Peters
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#3
Quote:I was wondering if someone could shed some light on a reasonable timeline for the different types of Roman armour... as in when it was introduced and when it faded from view. (Variants would be appreciated as well i.e. Segmentata: Newstead, Corbridge A/B, kalkreise etc...

You are referring to the lorica segmentata/plate armour?
because scale armour and mail existed long before Rome and never faded from view afterwards.
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#4
Granted,

However which came first, the Hamata or the Squamata?

I know Hamata was worn by pretty much everybody at different periods, but the Squamata seems to have been the dominion of Aqualifers, Centurions... or is this just modern re-enactmentism, or do we really know who would have worn the Squamata?
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aka: Phillip Vautour
"Rome is but a wilderness of tigers, and tigers must prey."
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#5
look here for "timeline" on segmentata finds and spread of types:
http://www.geocities.com/wolfram_von_ta ... Lorica.htm
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#6
Quote:Granted,

However which came first, the Hamata or the Squamata?

I know Hamata was worn by pretty much everybody at different periods, but the Squamata seems to have been the dominion of Aqualifers, Centurions... or is this just modern re-enactmentism, or do we really know who would have worn the Squamata?

This is a modern thing. The squamata could be worn by all ranks. You can for exemple see common soldiers wearing a squamata on the adamklissi metopes:

[Image: adamDSC00815.JPG]

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Jef
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#7
The scales on the shirt on the metope look very much like the ones found at Masada.
Christian K.

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#8
Thanks Jef,

I wonder if the Squamata predated the Hamata then?
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#9
A good start is the German Legio VIII AUG 'project generationes'
[url:1e9yllp1]http://www.frasdorf.com/legio8/generationes/generationes.html[/url]
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#10
Scale armor has been around since at least the 15th C BC. Mail is likely to have been invented by the Celts in the 5th C BC. Romans used both throughout the Roman period.
Author: Bronze Age Military Equipment, Pen & Sword Books
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#11
Quote:A good start is the German Legio VIII AUG 'project generationes'
[url:2gfv3u17]http://www.frasdorf.com/legio8/generationes/generationes.html[/url]

What an awesome page! I wish it had an English version though. Any plans with that page to have Early-Mid Republic type troops?
Sean Marcum

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#12
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jvrjenivs:23gxmqj4 Wrote:A good start is the German Legio VIII AUG 'project generationes'
[url:23gxmqj4]http://www.frasdorf.com/legio8/generationes/generationes.html[/url]

What an awesome page! I wish it had an English version though. Any plans with that page to have Early-Mid Republic type troops?

As far as I know, our RAT-member Martin Moser is part of this group, so maybe you've to suggest him to extend with an English version.
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#13
Yea, great site... if only it was in english!
Even so, very informative... although it doesn't show the squamata till much later on. Perhaps the squamata is of Persian influence? In which case it would have been known as long as the maille. Does this sound reasonable?
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