Frankish or germanic belt boxes NEW PHOTOS

[Iagoba]

In the Aldaieta nechropolis was found some elements that were interpreted in this way (boxes hanging from a belt). The tomb was luckily intact, but it´s quite puzzling :?

Anyone heard somethig like this? :?:

Thanks!

[garrelt]

In the Aldaieta nechropolis was found some elements that were interpreted in this way (boxes hanging from a belt). The tomb was luckily intact, but it´s quite puzzling :?

Anyone heard somethig like this? :?:

Thanks!

Never heard of boxes hanging from a belt.
A rectangular pouch yes, don't mean here the Krefeld-Gellep shoulderbag from one of the female graves.
This pouch could hold 1 or 2 knives, a firesteel and flint or other small materials.
Mostly closed with a small buckle
example: Niederstotzingen, Krefeld-Gellep, Lent, Rhenen etc.
Translation error somewhere?

[Iagoba]

Not a translation error, it´s the interpration of the actual find. Among the decorative roundels and "belt buckle" to close it, there are some "squares" (as in the masonic symbol) on the edges. It seemed to be a 3 X 4 X 20 Cm "box"

I will try to send you an image of the drawings, grave and reconstruction.

the book it´s this:

Aldaieta : Necrópolis tardoantigua de Aldaieta (Nanclares de Gamboa, Alava). Vol.1. Memoria de la excavación e inventario de los hallazgos / Agustín Azkarate . - Vitoria-Gasteiz : Diputación Foral de Alava , 1999 . - 536 p. : 390 fig., annexe ; 29 cm. - ( Memorias de yacimientos Alaveses ; 6)

ISBN 8478214100

If you want, I can buy and send it when I´m back to Spain, in some months. It has plenty of color photos and drawings covering the excavation, and some captions in English, I think.

[le Cavalier Invisible]

I will try to send you an image of the drawings, grave and reconstruction.

Yeah, could you please send the image to me too?! hock: :? D shock: 8)

Greetz,

[Iagoba]

Until June I´ll be unable to have that book again in my hands, sorry
Patience... :wink:

Perhaps you can order it, try... :?

[Iagoba]

Photo 1

photo 2

Here you have the drawing as they were found, the photo, and the provisional interpretation. The volume with the conclussions have not been finished yet. The genre of the burial was inconclusive. It had also a spear, a short knife, a siver ring, and a flintstone piece.

BTW, a link that Sacha gave me reminds me strongly...
www.rete-amicorum.de/bildergalerien/kle ... nger8.html

[Peroni]

This could be a purse LID as seen on the Sutton Hoo belt as opposed to a box. Only the fittings survived from that too.

Beneath the lid is a soft leather or fabric bag/pouch. When at rest the lid hangs down and closes the pouch.

reconstruction here.. http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk ... /purse.htm

[Sascha]

Yes it seems to be a purse; it is not unlike with metal attachments.
The angles made it not to the third dimension, if the finding is complete, you would have only a flat shape, that speaks for a kind of bag, not for a box
But the decision of box or purse should be at the finding itself, is in the description of this anything mentioned, that some leftover of wood or leather is attached to the metal?

[aitor iriarte]

A purse with a solid lid, no doubt! 8)
I had forgotten about it... It's been a long time since I bought and read that book... :roll:

Aitor

[le Cavalier Invisible]

Seems like some kind of purse to me too.. :wink: So how come it was identified as a box then? :?

Greetz,

[Arahne]

In postition of the find drawing two small buckels are next to each other, while in the reconstruction drawing the second one was moved towards right. Also the way that buckles are attached to leather stripe seem very very unusual in my opinion.

[garrelt]

Iagoba

Thanks for your PM.
As I thought , metal fittings for a leather pouch/bag.
Looking forward to your reconstruction.

[Iagoba]

My reconstruction? hock:

It was the lang seax scabbard what I was going to make!

What I´m going to do, is trying to contact to the archeologist in charge to give my humble opinion (and photos). I´ve already contacted before, as I found certain metalic items probably related with the same site, so perhaps he even remembers me. :roll:

[garrelt]

Well to a sax belongs a belt :wink: