04-15-2008, 03:49 PM
So,is Thucydides using the same system for the spartan army as Herodotus does? Using Lochoi instead of morae, and implying that there were smaller lochoi into each bigger lochos? Although Herodotus speaks of total five lochoi while Thucydides of six-in the place of the morae.
The reorganization of the army must have taken place after 464 bc,after the earthquacke. Could it be that the Athenian writers are using the old system,that they knew for centuries,instead of the modern terms? I can't accept that Xenophon,being good friends with the Spartan King and having lead Spartan troops himself,not to mentioned that he served as Spartan Armostis in Peloponnesos for a considerable part of his life could have mixed his terms! Nor is there implied other reorganization in the Spartan army between 464 and the end of the Peloponnesian War.
So ok,the Perioikoi had become part of the enomotia... What about training? What about the syssitia and the camp?More so,what about status? We know that an Athenian phalanx under the victorious Alkibiades was denying cooperation with another Athenian phalanx that had lost! Wouldn't it be contradictory if the mighty homoioi were fighting shoulder to shoulder with their followers?
And if indeed more than the half enomotia was consisted of perioikoi,it makes sence if the front two ranks were homoioi and the ouragoi were also homoioi,keeping the perioikoi packed between them.
Khairete
Giannis
The reorganization of the army must have taken place after 464 bc,after the earthquacke. Could it be that the Athenian writers are using the old system,that they knew for centuries,instead of the modern terms? I can't accept that Xenophon,being good friends with the Spartan King and having lead Spartan troops himself,not to mentioned that he served as Spartan Armostis in Peloponnesos for a considerable part of his life could have mixed his terms! Nor is there implied other reorganization in the Spartan army between 464 and the end of the Peloponnesian War.
So ok,the Perioikoi had become part of the enomotia... What about training? What about the syssitia and the camp?More so,what about status? We know that an Athenian phalanx under the victorious Alkibiades was denying cooperation with another Athenian phalanx that had lost! Wouldn't it be contradictory if the mighty homoioi were fighting shoulder to shoulder with their followers?
And if indeed more than the half enomotia was consisted of perioikoi,it makes sence if the front two ranks were homoioi and the ouragoi were also homoioi,keeping the perioikoi packed between them.
Khairete
Giannis
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