Romans in Ireland?

[Q. Vipsanivs Praetextatvs]

In Britain there was tin and wool.

Vale :wink:

[Robert Vermaat]

Don't forget the wheat surplus!

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Now if oil had been on the list of commodities back then, scotland would have been taken, to the last square inch......but I have said this often enough.... :lol:

[L C Cinna]

Trading posts: definately. Smaller expeditions: yes, Invasion: no imo


After the Roman conquest of the southern part of Britain the conquest of what is now Scotland would have been next on the list but it always stayed a secondary (or even tertiary) target as there were more valuable or important tasks. The Flavians tried but Domitian had to stop the operations probably due to the constant losses on the Dacian front. Same things happen later again and again. An invasion in Ireland would only make sense if Britain is conquered completely imho

everybody knows that the Irish are the greatest people who ever existed, second being the Scots. That statement is in no way, shape or form related or biased to the fact I am of full Irish decent.....

aren't Irish and scots the same at that time?

[Q. Vipsanivs Praetextatvs]

Don't forget the wheat surplus!

But for wheat there was Egipt and secondly Sicily.
In Britain mainly there was tin and wool.

Vale :wink:

[Iagoba]

Yeah, stone! :roll:

Aran Islands are plenty of those...I think they had to make those impressive forts to keep the stones out of the soil in order to be able to plant something...hock:

PSon´t take me very seriously, I´m still with a stupid smile since I celebrated St. Patrick´s Day in a little Irish pub of Germany... :roll:

PSS:Now more seriously, I´m sure they went there, but finding another misty island full of unpolite natives, they realized they had already Britain! :twisted:

And I don´t think that they showed to the Romans all the "gold hall" in the Archeology Museumof Dublinhock:

[Ygraine]

Valerius, why does the name "Vortigern Studies" appear on your profile? Does this refer to the King Vortigern of what is now Wales, who lived before the historical Arthur of Britain?

[Robert Vermaat]

Hi Victoria,

Valerius, why does the name "Vortigern Studies" appear on your profile? Does this refer to the King Vortigern of what is now Wales, who lived before the historical Arthur of Britain?

Yes, that's the one. :wink:
It was my username on the old board before I even joined RAT, and I never bothered to change it when I became involved in re-enactment.

Besides, it's the name of my main website Vortigern Studies.

I would not call Vortigern 'king of Wales', however - read all about him on my website!

[Eleatic Guest]

Wasn't it some Roman governor in Britain who lamented to the young Tacitus that it would only need two legions or so to submit the whole of Ireland?

[Casmin]

If this chap Warner is saying there are finds, then surely there are?
Why put your reputation on the line like that otherwise?

I've seen lots of authors put their reputation on the line for unsubstantiated claims and conjectures.

[Casmin]

Wasn't it some Roman governor in Britain who lamented to the young Tacitus that it would only need two legions or so to submit the whole of Ireland?

It was Agricola

[Ygraine]

Valerius, I find your website to be fascinating, and I've only just begun to review it. I will visit it again. Yes, it would be more appropriate to say Vortigern was a king "in" Wales.

I love the photo of Dinas Emrys. I have been there - but had to leave before I reached the summit - park rules. I very much hope to return someday. I was also at Dolwyddelan. I am very interested in Welsh history and Arthurian. Geoffrey Ashe, a leading, if not the leading Arthurian scholar, mentions the finding of a pool under the hill at Dinas Emrys - a find by archaeologists. Alas, no remains of the Dragons have ever been found!

[Ceannt]

Hi there

Here is my thing about it (to anwser the question it would be YES and NO)

(1) if you look at Old Irish writting is its a dead ringer for (dirty Latin)

(2)Tacitus said in the Agricola that I have often heard Agricola say that Éire could be reduced and held by one Legion and some Auxiliaries

Why would Tacitus write this down was it a spoof :?: i dont think so because Vespasian had re-started the re-conquest of Britain and there was plenty of chance's to add personal glory to yourself by lets say invading Ireland (if you were Agricola)

(3) The irish at the time were taking slaves (lets go and shut these irish up :wink: )

(4)Chester was the biggest Roman fort in the Roman world Why would that be :?:

(5) St Patrick was a roman :wink:

(6)I cant of any more at this point but i will have some more very soon :wink:

[Casmin]

Hi there



(2)Tacitus said in the Agricola that I have often heard Agricola say that Éire could be reduced and held by one Legion and some Auxiliaries

Why would Tacitus write this down was it a spoof :?: i dont think so because Vespasian had re-started the re-conquest of Britain and there was plenty of chance's to add personal glory to yourself by lets say invading Ireland (if you were Agricola)

Just because Agricola said this doesn't mean he actually followed through. Numerous generals/emperors had mentioned plans to conquer various lands but never got as far as step 1.

The pacification of Britain was tough enough let alone starting another prolonged conflict in Ireland.

St. Patrick being Roman really has nothing to do with Ireland being conquered by the Romans. St. Patrick lived hundreds of years after Rome would have had an opportunity to annex Ireland. This would be akin to saying the Irish must have conquered the British because St. Brendan preached in England.

[Ceannt]

St Patrick was taken before the Romanarmy pulled out of Britan (410A.D)
so he could have considered himself Roman

(4)Chester was the biggest Roman fort in the Roman world Why would that be

Chester was a nice spot not just for a depo but also for the conquest of Ireland. Chester is just a day sailing from Dublin and also you could land troops down as far as Waterford,