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Montefortino T reinforcement
#16
How easy is it to dent a helmet at this point ?

Surely part of the design of a Monty is that it deflects blows so you would want the least amount of obstruction on it. As said above adding a chunk of metal would assist a blow in adding a bit of leverage?

Are we sure that these have Roman provenance ?
Conal Moran

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#17
Quote:Are we sure that these have Roman provenance ?
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic. ... 885#177885

Quote:Although the helmets in question are not from a documented Roman context, Junkelmann states that at least one helmet with a Roman inscription also was found with an iron ring around the knob.

I am not at all an expert in Italian helmets but this type of helmet adornment seems to me to be different from the transverse feather crests found on other Italian helmets.

Good enough for me.
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#18
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Conal:v2fhrlg7 Wrote:Are we sure that these have Roman provenance ?
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic. ... 885#177885

Quote:Although the helmets in question are not from a documented Roman context, Junkelmann states that at least one helmet with a Roman inscription also was found with an iron ring around the knob.

I am not at all an expert in Italian helmets but this type of helmet adornment seems to me to be different from the transverse feather crests found on other Italian helmets.

Good enough for me.

Not me. One man with a helmet taken from a Samnite, and personalised, doth not a Roman fashion make :wink:
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#19
Quote:Not me. One man with a helmet taken from a Samnite, and personalised, doth not a Roman fashion make :wink:
Are we to believe that every item with a Republican Roman inscription is spolia from an enemy?
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#20
Quote:Are we to believe that every item with a Republican Roman inscription is spolia from an enemy?

Nope. But with something as ubiquitous as the Montifortino all possibilities need consideration when not found in a Roman context.
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#21
Quote:Could the raised antennae actually stop a side swipe reaching the bowl completely, which could be beneficial regardless of your head being knocked sideways. Let's face it, a blow would have knocked your head sideways anyway, but your helmet could be compromised.

I just had a thought, or I guess an 'image' of another purpose of these V-shaped antennae and attachments

it's possible these were to help deflect spearpoints from being thrust at the face?

I'm thinking of the vase illustrations showing the spears held above the shoulder and presumably a 'downwards' thrusting motion onto the head, neck, shoulder of the opponent.

if the point hits the bottom of the V, the two arms would 'push' the point up and off of the head
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#22
That too, it is a guard after all, at least to my mind.
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#23
Quote:if the point hits the bottom of the V, the two arms would 'push' the point up and off of the head

Without going into the argument you are making, I would like to suggest that the bracket had three, not two "arms." I believe the remnant of the central one still can be discerned.
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#24
Wow, awesome Jef. Those arethe first photos I've seen of this helmet!
And yes I agree, about the three arms, I got that impression from the drawing too!
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
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