Adamklissi

[arklore70]

I have a question in regards to Adamklissi.

Has anyone ever taken the time to recreate or redraw the images like, for example,has been done in LeBohec's The Imperial Roman Army?

The best images I have found are at this link; previously posted on RAT.

http://www.romansireland.ie/Adamklissi.htm

I ask this question because it has come up a lot in the last week as a reference, and is often cited in other postings and on group web pages.

I am in no way doubting what has been posted or referenced, just more curious than anything else to take better look and learn a bit more.

I'd go and see it person if I could.

Thanks,
Mike

[lucius Gellius cuniculus]

I dont' have any drawing but you can find in our website some other good pictures taken by our centurio in Romania :

http://www.leg8.com/Musees/Adamclisi_02.php

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Those have to be the best pictures of the monument i have ever seen. hock: The detail is excellent!!

Laudes to you and give one to your Centurio for me as well!!

[Robert Vermaat]

I dont' have any drawing but you can find in our website some other good pictures taken by our centurio in Romania :
http://www.leg8.com/Musees/Adamclisi_02.php

VERY good pictures! Thank you for that source!

[arklore70]

Wow,
the photos are awesome. Laudes and many thanks to you.

BTW-you got a great website and I have enjoyed also looking at the galleries.

Cheers!!

Mike

[Nicholas Gaukroger]

Fantastic stuff.

Hadn't realised before just how limited the depictions of greaves were on these - just hinst really on a couple of carvings!

[Caballo]

Superb- laudes from me too!

[Nerva]

Firstly, may I say that the leg8 site is fantastic, and maybe someday we'll get to that standard :wink: But the images displayed are the recast metopes, the original are in the museum itself. I do have very high resolution images of the actual originals which I have no problem giving to people but there is a catch

I'm a lazy bastard, so despite promises to the contrary, the only way I can get these to people is by email. Each image is almost 2megs, so you better have broadband.

Caution :!: I'm not in anyway suggesting that these images are any way better than those of our brothers from the VIIIth, just that they are of the original metopes, that's all, and once again, thanks to the photographer Jack O'Keeffe.

[Peroni]

But the images displayed are the recast metopes, the original are in the museum itself.

Check out the other pages Martin :wink:

[Ebusitanus]

Not to forget the metope stashed away at the Archaeological Museum in Istanbul.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Not to forget the metope stashed away at the Archaeological Museum in Istanbul.

Is that from the Adamklissi? The scuta look facinating! 8)

[Paullus Scipio]

Byron wrote:-

Is that from the Adamklissi? The scuta look facinating!

Yes it is - it is metope XXVIII in the series, the preceding one shows similarly dressed but completely unarmed 'officers'(judging by their posture) probably Trajan and another.

Note also the 'weighted' pila.The shield pattern is the same for the two figures, and very close to the Praetorian pattern shown on the Domitian/Nerva Cancellaria relief.

On that basis, I have Had no hesitation in identifying this metope as showing Praetorians in the field. The shields are of the curved sided type, with 'modern' circular bosses.

Rather annoyingly, while shown armed, they are not wearing armour - this is probably how they appeared on Guard duty outside Trajan's Headquarters.

I have a complete set of folio images of all the metopes ( including reconstruction drawings of badly damaged ones, and 'lost' metopes (fell in the river in transit), but they are too large to scan and are b/w and somewhat faded images from long ago........ (

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

I would love to do an impression of a preatorian, but there seems to be few accurate images of them in armour to be sure..... :roll:

[Peroni]

They are wearing their swords on the left too! :wink:

A friend of mine made a reconstruction of this shield design with all brass appliqués....

[Paullus Scipio]

Peroni wrote:-

They are wearing their swords on the left too!

....which suggests one of two things - if convention is being followed, then the two figures are officers/centurions ...or....the gradual changeover to wearing swords on the left began as a fashion among the Praetorians ( perhaps trying to imply that as guards, their status was equivalent to 'line' officers? )

That it is a beautiful rendition of the shield pattern !! Faithful even to the slight irreularites in the star shapes ( though this may be the sculptor rather than the original).

I once suggested that the background colour to this device might well have been dark blue or black, thus representing a lightning flash against a night sky with stars and moon ( crescents on the Cancellaria relief)