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02-09-2004, 06:33 PM

Hi, 
 
Please see attached link. 
 
The sword on the left seems to be triangular ... what is the origin ? 
 
Conal 
 
[url=http://www.klascement.net/kt/beelden/420_007.gif" target="top]www.klascement.net/kt/beelden/420_007.gif[/url]

02-09-2004, 09:56 PM

Hard to say, since we can't tell if that was the original profile of the blade. The gladiator type called the hoplomachus carried a stiletto-style sword like that, but we have so few gladiatorial swords it's hard to make a judgment. The ones found in Pompeii had Greek-style grips, though they may not have been representative. Where is this collection?

02-10-2004, 09:18 AM

It may be from the exhibition at Mainz, as the Pompeii gladius and scabbard are from the Guttman Collection which was on loan there at the time. Perhaps Dan will know more. 
 
Celer.

02-10-2004, 09:28 AM

Got a feeling I got it from a Dutch web-site ? 
 
Conal

drsrob · 02-11-2004, 11:48 PM

Actually from a Belgian (Flemisch) site. That supplies information for schools and teachers. 
[url=http://www.klascement.net/kt/beelden/legermenu.html" target="top]this[/url] links to the subject, were the picture is used. There are a lot more pictures of exhibit(s) Greetings 
 
Rob Wolters

02-12-2004, 06:18 PM

is this the same sword--- I took the photo at the museum in Mainz 
 
<img src="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark.martin/forum/mainzsword.jpg" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark.martin/forum/mark.gif
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02-13-2004, 09:03 AM

Vardulli, 
 
Thanks for posting the picture. 
 
The hilt on the sword is identical to one in the Dorchester museum UK, right down to the handle tapering towards the pommel rather than the hilt ? 
 
Also the center one of the five grips shown is interesting ... can you tell me what it is ? 
 
Conal

02-13-2004, 05:57 PM

dorchester handle 
 
<img src="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark.martin/forum/dorchsword.jpg" style="border:0;"/> 
 
 
well spotted very similar indeed!! <img src="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark.martin/forum/mark.gif
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02-13-2004, 06:21 PM

<img src="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark.martin/forum/grip.jpg" style="border:0;"/> 
 
unfortaunately all the other pics are very blurred 
 
but the end bit is a face 
 
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LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS · 02-18-2004, 05:58 PM

SALVE 
 
I have the publication of the bone items of the Mainz Museum (next time i'll post the reference). The item is a hilt of a sword or a big knife. I have the dimensions of the tapered sword, and i'll try to post a image of this. The hilt of that sword are composed by 3 pieces: a "body" with a near cilindrical shape and two "dishes" to close the upper and lower part and conceal the natural hollow of the bone (were is the marrow). This two pieces are secured by a little recess carved, similar to the recess for the bronze at the guard. 
 
The guard are constructed in a similar way. 
 
There are many hilts of swords at Mainz, and many of them are very shorter than the usually reconstructed by the reenactors, and are a lot more rough finished and irregular. 
 
Finally, the particular shape of the tapered sword do'nt means that it do'nt belongs to a soldier. The shape of the swords is'nt so "standard" like somebody thinks and the published blades show some variability. 
 
 
VALE

LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS · 02-18-2004, 06:05 PM

SALVE 
 
I think probably the museum display at Dorchester is wrong, and the handle must tapered like the Mainz ones. (Is a personal oppinion, of course ). To me is easier to handle and more strong. 
 
Vale.

02-19-2004, 12:15 AM

i think the point was that the dorchester and mainz both appear to show the grip the 'wrong' way round 
 
 
and yes I certainly agree from what Ive seen that blades do seem to have a great deal of variety in shape, width, length etc <img src="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark.martin/forum/mark.gif
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