Scythian Armour

[bachmat66]

hello Ruben,
another question - is the catalogue all in German? - I sprache kein Deutsch -
I found it for about 40 dollars with shipping - not bad for for big book of muzeum quality pictures and academic texts...

Yes, unfortunately it is entirely in German.... For instance, the perfectly preserved sagaris of one of the two warriors was not included in the book, despite the fact that it was one of the most spectacular items on display from that burial.

Hello
then this is a sorrowful state of affairs .. too bad, perhaps they will do one in US one day soon eg I got the Golden Deer of Eurasia catalogue, very nice
by the way I started reading messer Rudenko's Frozen Tombs of Pazyryk - interestingly back then in the 1970s it was thought that at least some of the kurgan finds came from 3rd century BC, and not 6-5th centuries BC the way like Rudenko proposed. Anyway, the saddles and briddles are most interesting.. look similar to these Chinese ones form 3rd century as well as to the Saka belt plate of a resting hero under a tree
Too bad no arms nor armour were saved as the robbers had plundered these kurgans before the digs..
Do you remember how long that Altai sagaris was.
I got to look for the new Arzan/Altai finds on the Russian net, perhaps these finds may come up

[MeinPanzer]

Hello
then this is a sorrowful state of affairs .. too bad, perhaps they will do one in US one day soon eg I got the Golden Deer of Eurasia catalogue, very nice
by the way I started reading messer Rudenko's Frozen Tombs of Pazyryk - interestingly back then in the 1970s it was thought that at least some of the kurgan finds came from 3rd century BC, and not 6-5th centuries BC the way like Rudenko proposed. Anyway, the saddles and briddles are most interesting.. look similar to these Chinese ones form 3rd century as well as to the Saka belt plate of a resting hero under a tree
Too bad no arms nor armour were saved as the robbers had plundered these kurgans before the digs..

One of the kurgans contained a unique pair of greaves with scallopped edging. I don't know exactly what they were made of, but I think, IIRC, they are from kurgan 1-i.

Do you remember how long that Altai sagaris was.

Unfortunately, no. I didn't think at the time to estimate its length.

[Johnny Shumate]

Great photo Gioi..!
Johnny

[bachmat66]

Saka


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/C ... e08ae3.jpg

hey
photo is great but these guys are Saka 'wanna be'
the forefront one is ridding in stirrups, all got akinakes/swords on the wrong side - should have been on the right side. swords were hung from the belts on a piece of wide leather - look at the Gorelik reconstructions or Persepolis Apadana freeze.
Horse gear off by centuries as they are ridding in modern saddles (sort of hidden under the saddle cloth - by the way these shabraques are also pure fantasy), and even then wrong and some more
eg horse tails untied, unshaven manes, forelock not tied with a ribbon or plaited, lack of a proper breastplate and no crupper! the bridles and bits are wrong as well -
also, highly unlikely they would have ridden a gray horse as they probably did not occur then amongst the Central Asia horses. I am not sure about the stockinged one, probably also a no-no.

and what these guys are doing without gorytos (arrows and bow), perhaps would carry reed shields and sagaris/chekan/war-axes .. and some horsewhip would have been great to complete their panoply..

Funny headgear sort of mixtures of a Persian cup and Saka tall bashlyk - one bad reconstruction

Are these from Alexander the movie?

[bachmat66]

museum Reconstruction

hello Igor,
is the second warrior - post-1384-1168633757.jpg the one that is sitting - a Eastern Saka, Sarmata or even an early Hun?
His bow is longer, and the whole outfit and face and his manner of hair dressing seems to come from the eastern part of the Great Steppe...
do you have any info on that?

also, if I may - do you have M. V. Gorelik, "Zashchitnoe vooruzhenie persov i mid-yan achemenidskogo vremeni" (Persian and Median armor in the Achaemenid period)?

and here - on this forum there are many images of nomad warriors - including many Igor's great illustrations to the Kulikovo Polie - and on this page they have some interesting reconstructions of Scythians and Saka
http://steppes.proboards23.com/index.cg ... 74&page=14

[gie]

Can someone post Saka (the Asian part )/ Messagetic armour!

Also does anyone knows where I could find such information or saka warriors reconstruction between 500 – 300 bc?
I am trying to find more information about the appearance of the Saka/Messagetic Heavy cavalry that Alexander encountered in his Asian campaign.