Pyrrhus Helmet

[D B Campbell]

This is Pyrrhus from Warlords Armies.

Looks like an early McBride -- is it?

[MeinPanzer]

This is Pyrrhus from Warlords Armies.

Looks like an early McBride -- is it?

I think you've misunderstood me. I'm not comparing the Boeotian helmet on the coin to that of the Pyrrhus bust. I'm referring to Gioi's statement that "Pyrrhus helmet is a unique helmet... just like some of each Kindom of Alexander's sucessors would have one..." The helmet worn by the Bactrian king on the coin is not unique. It is just a late style Boeotian helmet, whereas Pyrrhus' is unique.

Looks like an early McBride -- is it?

Yes it is, from a book entitled, IIRC, Warlords.

[Duncan Head]

Looks like an early McBride -- is it?

Yes it is, from a book entitled, IIRC, Warlords.

It was originally the artwork for a Nic Sekunda article on the leukaspides in Military Illustrated.

[caiusbeerquitius]

The reconstruction that the Germans have done ( www.heteroi.de ) is a good one.

See here:
Hellenistic Helmet

[hoplite14gr]

The reconstruction that the Germans have done ( www.heteroi.de ) is a good one.

See here:
Hellenistic Helmet

So a pair of goat horns either at the temple sideways or at the front begining of the crest like the very later helmet of Georgios Kastriotis (Skerderbay) and speculative red paint or even purple (Macedonian frescoes).
I could also be amaranth based on Alexander sarkofagos.

And voila Pyrros helmet.

Kind regards

[Celtic505]

On the matter of Pyrrhus' horned helmet, Plutarch says he had cheek pieces fashioned like Rams heads, perhaps these had the horns coming out of them? I would imagine the horns he had would be curled rams horns like the ones of "Zeus-Ammon".

[hoplite14gr]

Plutarch Purros 11 mentions the goat horns in battle against Demetrios.
From the greek text it is clear that hornms were on the helmet close to the crest or part of the crest.
Kind regards

[MeinPanzer]

I thought I should add to this text that there are actually two distinct facsimilies of this bust, though I don't know the background behind the difference. One has no cheek pieces, more detail on the crown of the helmet, no wreath, and a chinstrap tied above the visor of the helmet; the other is the one discussed here, with wreath and cheekpieces.

[Celtic505]

heres a pic of the statue from behind

[geala]

Mhmm, it seems it is only me, but does the helmet of Pyrrhos (with cheek guards) not look like a typical Macedonian-Hellenistic helmet? Very similar to some other examples of the 3rd and 2nd c. BC, e.g. on the Pergamon altar. Of course the helmet is made individually but was this not the case for most helmets? What is so special with it?

BTW, I'm looking for more pictures of Hellenistic helmets, to utilize it for a reconstruction I'm considering. Is there a good source in the Inet?

[Paullus Scipio]

Geala said :-

Mhmm, it seems it is only me, but does the helmet of Pyrrhos (with cheek guards) not look like a typical Macedonian-Hellenistic helmet? Very similar to some other examples of the 3rd and 2nd c. BC, e.g. on the Pergamon altar.

...I would agree, nothing terribly unusual about it....fairly typical..

[MeinPanzer]

Geala said :-

Mhmm, it seems it is only me, but does the helmet of Pyrrhos (with cheek guards) not look like a typical Macedonian-Hellenistic helmet? Very similar to some other examples of the 3rd and 2nd c. BC, e.g. on the Pergamon altar.

...I would agree, nothing terribly unusual about it....fairly typical..

If you look beyond the shared characteristics of almost all Hellenistic helmets, it is fairly unique in shape, and not like any other example that I know of from the Hellenistic period. Maybe you could post a similar example?

[Celtic505]

personally I love the Pyrrhus helmet, I think its a magnifiscent and beautiful piece.

[Paullus Scipio]

To Ruben - I had taken it as a given that virtually all Greek and Roman helmets, not for the most part being mass produced, are individual...

...the shared characteristics of almost all Hellenistic helmets....

...QED then, it is typical of a Hellenistic helmet! D