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At home for flu, I've found from MAK – Austrian Museum of Applied Arts / Contemporary Art collection, well 14.100 late antique textiles fragments since III century!
http://sammlungen.mak.at/maksdbweb/serv ... state?id=4
A real binge of tabulae, orbicula, bands and tunics in very good res pics... Sorry in advance if the link was already posted: found nothing in the RAT searching.
Here are two little samples with swastikas, the second one on purple ground (warp: linen; weft: linen, wool):
http://sammlungen.mak.at/thumbnails/Tex ... 2-1883.jpg
http://sammlungen.mak.at/thumbnails/Tex ... 0-1883.jpg
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Brilliant link, Daniele! very interesting!
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Very interesting indeed- for example this 6th century sock
http://sammlungen.mak.at/maksdbweb/serv ... e=sammlung
Or this wonderful and virtually complete tunic
http://sammlungen.mak.at/maksdbweb/serv ... e=sammlung
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It's really phenomenal how vivid some of the colors have remained.
Also, in the hi-res photos you can clearly see where some of the decorations have been cut from older garments and sewn onto newer ones.
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Fantastic link - a laudes to you! I've been copying/pasting to get 'undamaged' segmentae already....
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Awesome, laudes!
Wow, the patterns are amazing and so vivid! Color was important to the Romans for sure! I guess the dreary blacks and browns of Hollywood are utter rubbish!
It’s also amazing how many patterns there are… there aren’t many plain or solid pieces at all… its nearly all color, color, color, and patterns, patterns, patterns.
Awesome link!
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Quote:It’s also amazing how many patterns there are… there aren’t many plain or solid pieces at all… its nearly all color, color, color, and patterns, patterns, patterns.
Do not get too carried away chaps. Most of these pieces are from the decorations taken from tunics by collectors because they were more attractive than the otherwise plain tunics themselves. When the whole tunics do survive even a quick glance reveals an interesting trend. Mainly that the linen tunics are undyed, so white or off white, while the wool ones have been dyed red.
Some of the designs classed as 'cushion' covers are now also considered to be parts of tunic decorations. It is possible that they too were cut from original tunics and presented that way by early collectors.
Another reminder, this is one museums collection, many other museums around the world have similar collections but we rarely get to see them and there are also some amazing complete garments out there too!
Laudes awarded for bringing this collection to light!
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Right. So some adding: a quite impressive red one (VII century) from Danish Museum of Art & Design.
![[Image: kim03_s.jpg]](http://www.dragt.dk/samling/kim/kim03_s.jpg)
A fine one from Metropolitan museum:
![[Image: rt26.9.8.L.jpg]](http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/images/ra/images/rt26.9.8.L.jpg)
I find this an interesting (and quikly usable) pattern.
![[Image: mma7.jpg]](http://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/museums/mma/mma7.jpg)
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The one with the fuzzy appearance could well have been a subarmails type garment...?
Or it may havejust been for winter wear?
Awesome collection.....I see what I want for my Marcus Aurelius period impression anyway.... :roll: Not that I have much hope of that....
Gret link, thanks Daniele!
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Hi Daniele
Any measurements for those last two tunics?
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Find the red tunic measurements on this B/W sketch:
![[Image: dalmatica1.jpg]](http://www.earlyperiod.com/includes/articles/roman-dalmatica/dalmatica1.jpg)
About the white one:
Creator Nationality: African; North African; Egyptian
Creator Name-CRT: Egyptian (Coptic)
Title: Tunic
Title Type: Object name
Title: Tunic with Dionysiac Ornament
View: Full View
Creation Start Date: 300
Creation End Date: 499
Creation Date: 4-5th century
Object Type: Costume and Jewelry
Classification Term: Costumes
Materials and Techniques: textile
Dimensions: 72 1/32 x 53 5/32 in. (183 x 135 cm)
AMICA Contributor: The Metropolitan Museum of Art
Owner Location: New York, New York, USA
ID Number: 26.9.8
Credit Line: Gift of Edward S. Harkness, 1926
Rights: http://www.metmuseum.org/
Style or Period: Coptic
Context:
A longer, wider version of the tunic was the ubiquitous garment of the Late Antique world. Most preserved examples come from cemeteries in Egypt, but few are intact, since the ornament was prized and so was cut away. This gracefully rich example is one of several complete tunics in the Museum's collection. Drop-shaped pendants, semimedallions, and linked medallions capture burgeoning ornament: vine leaves, sprouting urns, springing and poised animals, and dancing, shield-bearing warriors. These motifs allude to the arrival of Dionysos with his promise of vitality and rebirth. The allusion is made explicit in the shoulder decoration, where certain details establish connections with a tapestry panel (90.5.873) also in the Museum's collection. Dionysos, wearing a turreted crown, is seated alongside a woman in a diadem, perhaps Ariadne or the nymph Nikaia, who figures in his epic. Beneath them are two bound, possibly female, captives in spotted garments. Animals in repose encircle the scene.Like the tapestry panel, this tunic is said to be from Akhmim. In the first century B.C. Strabo referred to the city as an old settlement of linen workers, and the characterization was probably also valid for the pharaonic period. Today Akhmim remains an important textile center, illustrating the continuity of some industrial traditions despite great social changes.
A conservator works on a similar tunic:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1024/540 ... 1181549956
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1167/540 ... c9.jpg?v=0
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1145/540 ... f9.jpg?v=0
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1405/540 ... 17.jpg?v=0
Late tunics making and measurements:
http://www.srclink.net/users/Meghan_Elp ... amison.pdf
How Copts made tunics :
http://www.iub.edu/~iuam/online_modules ... /tech.html
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Do any of these tunics bear any relationship to earlier longer sleeved tunics, from second century? or do they have a totally different style?
They basically resemble a sleeveless square cut tunic, with sleeves, to me anyway... :? ?:
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I was surprised to find also "coptic" textiles from Palmyra in Dublin´s National Archeology museum...The first time I saw the pattens "live"  hock:
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Some great material :wink: there, Daniele: laudes.
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