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Greek Helmet/ armour database
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Apologies for my extended absence. I had to go home to be in a wedding, and have been trying to catch up on the work thereby missed... plus the weather has been pleasant for a change 8)

I do hope Ralph will not absent himself overlong; I must admit that I have rather more training in matters topographical than matters typological. The system that he outlined, however, was used as the basis for Bottini's typology of "Apulo-Corinthian" helmets; e.g. eyes are (open/closed), nasal (raised/not), cheek-guards (separate/bridged/conjoined). His Type A, then, has open eyes, nasal in relief, separate cheek-guards.

It would probably be good to do a limited test, perhaps of the so-called "Illyrian" type as Ralph suggested, in order to establish the comprehensibility of the criteria. It will however be possible to start cataloging helmets with whatever information is available; only thus can we tell which helmets we need more information for!

I suggest that for those helmets whose photography is not permitted, note-taking is a respectable alternative, and indeed I would recommend it in addition to photos, since these don't always capture the information to be had from seeing in person.

I like Ralph's initial suggestions for attributes: Material, skull shape, construction, nasal, neck guard, cheek piece... of course, the options he gives for each would have to be expanded or shoe-horned to fit, say, Apulo-Corinthians into the system (sorry to sound like a broken record croaking "Awk! Apulo-Corinthian! Awk! Apulo-Corinthian!"...).

I might suggest the addition of Incised Decoration (present/absent), and possibly Crest Evidence (present/absent) -- this is of interest, perhaps, because in the case of helmets made of perishable materials (leather or wicker or what-have-you), the metal crest fittings are the only remaining evidence of the helmet! If you think these are non-essential, say so, or suggest other, more useful attributes...

Another important question: what are our limits? Do we have strict chronological limits (will one of the 'Material' options be 'boar's tusk'...?), or geographical, or 'cultural'(!)? Do we include helmets of Montefortino-type, or exclude them because (maybe) they belong to a different 'tradition,' or arbitrarily because they're already in the Roman database? Include some if they fall within our chronological range? What about finds from Scythia? Thrace? Italy? Spain? (I think we have to include them all, but let me hear your dissent if you have it!)

What about Near Eastern helmets? Ralph mentioned an Assyrian helmet in an example. I am highly in favor of ignoring "cultural" distinctions since they can rarely be scientifically supported, but maybe geography or chronology is a factor here?

The location field has me thinking a bit. The grid system Ralph mentioned has its pros and its cons. On the one hand, I think that it may paint with strokes too broad for a world of city-states, as opposed to the big "blank canvas" of prehistory (no offense intended); on the other hand, regrettably many helmets have no provenience more specific than "(probably) South Italy," and a grid system would accommodate that more easily. For those with specific provenience, maybe something could be worked whereby "Athens" or "Olympia" or "Ruvo" were equated with their actual lat/long so they could be plotted on a dynamic map? Anybody handy with writing Google Earth apps?

These are more important questions at the moment than the format of the pictures, I think.
Dan Diffendale
Ph.D. candidate, University of Michigan
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Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Paullus Scipio - 10-04-2007, 02:14 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Ioannis - 10-04-2007, 12:41 PM
Greek Helmet Database - by Paullus Scipio - 10-04-2007, 09:08 PM
Greek Helmet Database - by Paullus Scipio - 10-04-2007, 09:20 PM
Greek Helmet Database - by Paullus Scipio - 10-04-2007, 09:31 PM
Greek helmet data base - by Paullus Scipio - 10-04-2007, 11:46 PM
Greek Helmet Database - by Paullus Scipio - 10-05-2007, 08:22 PM
Greek Helmet Database - by Paullus Scipio - 10-05-2007, 09:31 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by spyros - 10-06-2007, 04:20 PM
Re: Greek Helmet Database - by MeinPanzer - 10-06-2007, 07:58 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Gaius Decius Aquilius - 10-06-2007, 09:58 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Decebalus - 10-07-2007, 01:43 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Decebalus - 10-07-2007, 02:39 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by MeinPanzer - 10-07-2007, 06:46 PM
Greek Helmet Database - by Paullus Scipio - 10-08-2007, 01:50 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Decebalus - 10-08-2007, 01:06 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Gaius Decius Aquilius - 10-08-2007, 04:33 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Decebalus - 10-11-2007, 01:30 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Gaius Decius Aquilius - 10-11-2007, 05:41 PM
Greek Helmet database - by Paullus Scipio - 10-11-2007, 10:51 PM
re: - by Johnny Shumate - 10-13-2007, 03:09 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Gaius Decius Aquilius - 10-13-2007, 02:56 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by geala - 10-14-2007, 08:34 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Tarbicus - 10-16-2007, 04:05 AM
Greek helmet database - by Paullus Scipio - 10-16-2007, 10:41 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Decebalus - 10-16-2007, 03:01 PM
Greek Helmet/Armour Database - by Paullus Scipio - 10-17-2007, 12:58 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Dan Diffendale - 10-17-2007, 09:04 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Decebalus - 10-17-2007, 09:45 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Decebalus - 10-17-2007, 10:30 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Decebalus - 10-18-2007, 02:23 PM
Greek helmets - by Paullus Scipio - 10-19-2007, 01:06 AM
Greek Helmet database - by Paullus Scipio - 10-29-2007, 04:32 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Decebalus - 10-29-2007, 11:59 AM
Greek Helmet/Armour database - by Paullus Scipio - 11-18-2007, 03:26 AM
Greek Helmet Database - by Paullus Scipio - 11-26-2007, 01:23 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by MeinPanzer - 11-27-2007, 01:24 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by MeinPanzer - 11-28-2007, 11:29 AM
Greek Helmet Project - by Paullus Scipio - 11-28-2007, 09:16 PM
Greek Vase - by Paullus Scipio - 11-30-2007, 10:37 PM
Greek Vase - by Paullus Scipio - 12-01-2007, 04:14 AM
Greek Helmet Project - by Paullus Scipio - 12-09-2007, 10:13 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Nectanebo - 12-19-2007, 10:42 PM
Greek Helmet/Armour Database - by Paullus Scipio - 12-19-2007, 11:23 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Nectanebo - 12-21-2007, 11:34 PM
Greek armour database - by Paullus Scipio - 12-22-2007, 12:40 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Kineas - 10-16-2008, 03:10 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Decebalus - 04-09-2009, 07:30 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by barcid - 05-21-2009, 12:00 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Phalanx300 - 05-21-2009, 11:59 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Phalanx300 - 05-21-2009, 07:04 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Kineas - 06-10-2009, 10:41 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by barcid - 09-02-2010, 11:12 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by barcid - 09-04-2010, 02:55 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Virilis - 10-05-2010, 08:40 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Dan Howard - 10-12-2010, 11:58 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by rocktupac - 10-12-2010, 11:35 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Joe - 08-27-2011, 06:20 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Ghostmojo - 10-29-2011, 12:06 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Decebalus - 10-29-2011, 01:39 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Joe - 12-01-2011, 06:37 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Nikanor - 02-02-2012, 10:10 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Eric - 03-13-2012, 09:21 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Adonis - 04-30-2012, 04:17 PM
Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Joe - 05-02-2012, 08:47 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Adonis - 05-03-2012, 06:17 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Adonis - 05-04-2012, 02:03 AM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Lyceum - 06-09-2012, 11:24 PM
Re: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Julius Agricola - 07-28-2012, 07:00 PM
Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Josho Brouwers - 06-27-2013, 03:40 PM
Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Macedon - 07-23-2013, 10:51 PM
Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Josho Brouwers - 07-24-2013, 08:06 AM
Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Macedon - 08-06-2013, 09:57 PM
Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Josho Brouwers - 08-07-2013, 01:29 PM
Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Macedon - 08-07-2013, 03:32 PM
Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Josho Brouwers - 08-07-2013, 03:39 PM
Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Macedon - 08-07-2013, 04:41 PM
Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Ralph Lim - 05-06-2015, 03:36 PM
RE: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by qjo95 - 05-06-2019, 07:22 AM
RE: Greek Helmet/ armour database - by Idomeneas - 06-03-2019, 07:36 PM

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