Greek Helmet/ armour database

[Paullus Scipio]

....absolutely !

[Kineas]

Is this project/thread still alive?

I've got a pile of helmet photos of the Chalcidian (that's what they call it) helmet in the Walters Gallery. It's scarcely "unknown" but not widely illustrated and the Walters is kind enough to have a "take all the photos you want" policy.

I also have pics of there Corinthian and their Iberian helmets--all perfectly legal, and I could go back and get better ones on another research trip--if you folks don't already have plenty of images.

Here's a nice sample, though.



The Walters date is 500 BC. The provenance is not very helpful but a friend tells me (sigh, this is not good scholarship) that it's from a Russian dig of a Scythian burial.

[richard robinson]

A question for andreas (or anyone else that knows.) :?
I am interested in the goat cheek plated helmets (widderkoppf in german?).
From your knowledge
were there more found/ depicted with ear cut outs (as in attic style)
or without (similar to corinthian)
and which style do you think looks better?
looking forward to your answers and opinions
regards
richard

[Decebalus]

Hello Richard!

There are ten Chalkidian helmets known to me which have cheekpieces in the form of ram's/goats heads.
Six are from Olympia (Olympia-Mus. inv. nos. B 2798, B 4341, B 4446, B 4914, B 5906, B 6523), the others from Lokri (Neapel, Mus. Naz. inv. 5737), Metapont (St. Louis, City Art Mus. Acc. 282.49), Ruvo (London, British Mus. inv. 2830) and without findspot (Hermann-Historica, Auktion 48 lot 3046).
Another example in Paris (Louvre inv. 1128) is a pasticcio of different types putted together in modern times).
Apart from depictions in art (mostly vasepaintings and the famous so-called bust of Leonidas from Sparta) I know only one Corinthian with ram's head cheekpieces (from Olympia, Mus. inv. B 5239), but even it has no ear-cutouts it should also rather be classified as a Corinthian-Chalkidian mix-type (like the "Corinthians" with ear-cutouts and others which show clear influences of the Chalkidian type).

Greets,

Andreas

[richard robinson]

Thankyou gentlemen for your (excellent)informative replies. The goat cheek pieces on the different photoes I have collected
on the net are all inspirational. I look forward to seeing them appear when the datbase is finally established.
I will use the acknowledged corinthian/chaldicean bust of the the so-called Leonidas as the model for forming the shape of my new helmet (though the goats are a conglomerate-or simplification- of other photos).
The reason being that i am an asymetrical person and I find it difficult to cut out the ear shapes to a degree that would satisfy.
warm regards
richard

[Peter Raftos]

Does anybody know the provenance of this piece. I believe it is in the Boston Museum of Fine Arts. [url:25003hic]http://www.flickr.com/photos/theodosius/3356416318/[/url]

[barcid]

Thats a very cool Helm Peter ..cant wait for this thread to take off .

[Phalanx300]

I seem to like these Corinthians with longer cheeckpieces for additional protection as you can see in this picture:

http://www.legion-fourteen.com/leonidas2.gif

[Peter Raftos]

Very cheeky of you.

[Phalanx300]

Cheeky indeed, they would look great with black/white block motives with red horse hair to the shoulders and with rams on the cheeck pieces. :mrgreen:

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

There were corinthians with long cheek pieces,but not really that much. It may even prevent you from turning your head right and left. Actually i think i have heard this problem from a reenactor,but this wasn't really a problem in the originals.
Khaire
Giannis

[Peter Raftos]

While it lasts there is an ex -Axel Gutman collection Chalcidian at the Royal Athena Galleries:
[url:39cwlbpr]http://www.royalathena.com/pages/GreekCatalog/Bronze/Armor/HMQ48.html[/url]
A 2nd half of the 7th Century BC Corinthian Type II [url:39cwlbpr]http://www.royalathena.com/pages/GreekCatalog/Bronze/Armor/IN0801.html[/url]
And some other lovely stuff.[url:39cwlbpr]http://www.royalathena.com/pages/GreekCatalog/GreekBronze.html[/url]

[Kineas]

Thanks very much. I re-posted the muscalata to Cezary., who's building one.

great items. Wow, I'd like to have a few hundred thousand euros right now!

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

These are amazing quality, Wish I was the lottery winner today, quite a few item I would like there! :o

[barcid]

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