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Came across this...
www.kroraina.com/thracia/gk/
.....interesting tomb, positively identified as that of the famous Thracian King Seuthes III ( he fought against the Macedonians under Lysimachus....)
Note the tomb contains helmet and greaves, but no body-armour...fits other depictions of Thracians.
Not sure whether it should go here or in the Greek section.... :?
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[ i]The following extracts from different reports give apparently different and sometimes inconsistent reports of the contents of the tomb....[/i]
"It contained a delicate two-handled gold drinking cup and three amphoras as well as Sevt's military equipment: 10 spears, a sword, a bronze helmet decorated with gold and silver fittings, a round shield and leg armour."
"The third chamber contained a burial bed/sarcophagus, hewn out of a single ~60-tonne granite boulder. No human remains, apart from 3 teeth were found. The third chamber also contained more than 70 burial items, 20 of them - made of gold. Among them were a golden wreath, golden horse trappings and sword decorations, silver and bronze jewels as well as crafted ceramics, including three big wine amphorae, one of them - sealed. Golden coins of Seuthus III were also found in the tomb. There were also a silver jug, a silver phial, a bronze helmet depicting the goddess of victory, Nike, two knee-guards, more metalwork depicting an elegant head of a stag, a head of an African man, a double-handled ritual vessel for wine drinking (cylix).
Inscriptions on two of the silver vessels read: "This belongs to Seuthus". They also list the weight of the vessels in Thracian units. This confirms that the tomb belonged to the king Seuthus III. "
"an iron sword in a leather sheath with gold applications, a bronze sword, a helmet and a suit of armour with a picture of Athena Pallas. Cheek-plates, which have no known analogue, two knee-plates, amphorae. could this be the fabled find of a tube-and-yoke corselet? It certainly sounds greek-style and the helmet and greaves are certainly greek style.....but the other descriptions make no mention of a shield or body armour...frustrating !  )
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Can you give me a citation for an/the official excavation report? I can see what I can get a hold of and then report back.
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Quote:Can you give me a citation for an/the official excavation report? I can see what I can get a hold of and then report back
Sorry Ruben - I've looked, but can't find anthing...as the find occurred in 2004, it is quite possible the report isn't done yet.... (
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Interesting stuff. I hope they measured that horse skeleton they found. How does one go about getting these archaeological reports and keeping up to date with this stuff?
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Paullus here is the video of his discovery...ps: shows when they opened the Tomb! 
BTW: Bulgarian voices with pop music is the best combination in work..I love it :lol:
Video--- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdNIQMmTPRw
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Great find Gioi ! ...and the artifacts ! A laudes for you !
Pity they all focus on the gold though...bl**dy treasure hunters ! As someone said, if they want Gold, go to the jewellers in your nearest shopping mall ! The archaeology is much more valuable than mere gold ! :evil:
No sign of the armour remains though (opther than the helmet).
15,000 tumuli, most untouched ! Bet they are being looted by gold-hungry looters, even as we speak !
I could cry ! 
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And it looks like this Kitov doesn't make systematic records or publish things well, so in the end all we may have is the finds themselves and the videos he took. But yes, the focus on gold is sad.
Lootiing seems to be a terrible problem in every poor country, alas. Its understandable when peasants do it, but organized criminals or the 'professional looters' in Italy ...
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Quote:Great find Gioi ! ...and the artifacts ! A laudes for you !
Pity they all focus on the gold though...bl**dy treasure hunters ! As someone said, if they want Gold, go to the jewellers in your nearest shopping mall ! The archaeology is much more valuable than mere gold ! :evil:
No sign of the armour remains though (opther than the helmet).
15,000 tumuli, most untouched ! Bet they are being looted by gold-hungry looters, even as we speak !
I could cry !
You welcome & thanks
BTW: the gold issue among Bulgarians are not the onlyones...
Among many friends of mine of Ukrain..PS: I called them the Scythians but probably more Sarmatians but the same to me
they...the mayority; have gold crowns & gold theeth in their dentadures...
I wonder where all that gold comefrome...from the Scythian tombs? :lol:
But that maight not be the case...Where I born (Latin Amerika-from European emigration, I'm the 4 generation not 600 years ago 8)
But yes its sad what is happening in Bulgaria
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They are magnificent golden treasures. Egei sea carries the tickets of a culture on himself but!!!!!! I would make a little bypass now just I understandable be. In the Hungarian history the scythyan the practice of a religion the XIII. century was very strong. The priests called: t o r da /druida?/ the you are a shaman for priesthood it was called. The shaman climbed up onto a big tree and waited for the dawn meditating there, because of that that let him see it god / the Sun / to come into existence. The Druid priests made ceremonies like this while he is an oak leaf you wear a wreath.The single oak tree which can be found between the gold jewels a headdress was made of a wreath.
It the strange that letter on the 40. latitude only the " pedunculate's oaks ". I do not believe it with 1000 year before on the place / Bulgaria / that this oaks was lives. This diagnosis rings with that assumption that Bulgarian they were central Asian rider folk, not slavic.
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Hi, You will find some of Kitov's work written up by him in "Archaeologica Bulgarica." http://www.techno-link.com/clients/lvagalin/index.html This is a rather expensive journal for somebody buying with Australian dollars, but you can order electronic copies of individual articles. No 1 2005 has the Alexandrovo tomb. No. 2 2005 has the tomb in question. No 3 2005 has another article by Kitov that includes pictures of the armour. No. 3 2006 has an article (written in German), with pictures, about Seuthes' helmet.
Incidentally, there's a great deal of information about Roman armour and fortifications in this journal eg No. 1 2006 has a long article about an intact 1st Century AD Roman helmet. Other Thracian finds are published in "Arheologica (Sofia)", http://aim.sofianet.net/main.php?lang=ENG although that is much harder to obtain :twisted: and a much higher proportion of the articles seem to be written in Bulgarian.
There is also an article about Roman era Thracian "Chariots" in the current issue of Archaeology magazine www.archaeology.org . These were mostly four wheeled, and pulled by up to eight horses. No mention of chariots from earlier eras.
The gold rush/treasure hunter issue was discussed exensively in the National Geographic article December 2006, and this embarrased and upset the Bulgarians no end. :oops:
By the way, in all the excitement of finding Seuthes' tomb, they seem to have forgotten that the Kazanluk tomb was also claimed to be Seuthes' tomb - Seuthes III that is. The new tomb must surely be that of one of Seuthes I or II?
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Hi, I just found some great colour photos of the recently discovered Thracian weapons and armour at http://tracianvalley.hit.bg/gallery6.html#sve4 - it seems there's been a lot more discovered than has been mentioned in the reports
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A great find Chris....well done, a laudes for you..... is there more?
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