New Montefortino helmet at Royal Athena

[Tarbicus]

Thought this was tasty. Attributed to Etruscan, which puts it in Italy at least.

ETRUSCAN BRONZE HELMET OF MONTEFORTINO TYPE
4th-3rd Century BC

http://www.royalathena.com/PAGES/etrusc ... CNB02.html



Those triple discs do get around :wink:

[Aetius Helvius Merula]

That is a beaut! Survived the years well, it seems.

So, from what I've learned so far the Montefortino is a Celtic type, yes? This would indicate that the Etruscans, like the Romans, were also influenced by Celtic works. I remark on this because I know next to nothing about Etruria, aside from their struggles with Rome.

So back on track...were the triple discs commonly used on cheekpieces? Is it an Etruscan motif? I've seen them on pectorals, but wasn't sure elsewhere.

[Marcus Caecilius Avitus]

NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE!!! D

The tripls discs are reminiscent of the pectoral armour, but if you take a step back I think it has a slightly cletic feel about it.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

There are others with the triple disc motiff! No prizes for guessing what kind of armour may have been used with these! :lol: It would be great for a Republican impression, but not too sure if the Romans went for the tri-disc on the cheek pieces.

Anyway, at that bargain price, will have to rush out and get it!!!!!

Nice find Jim!

[Conal]

One of these was found in an Etrsucan grave with a Hoplite panolpy of shield, bronze muscled cuirass, grieves." P Connolly- Greece & Rome at War"

The Celts were chums with the Samnites and apparently liked their cheek pieces so much they bought the company

[Paullus Scipio]

Many 'Montefortino' helmets with 'triple-disc' cheekpieces have been found in graves of the Celtic Senones tribe in the Po valley - originally from a cemetary at Montefortino, hence the name !

This a good example of cross-fertilisation of cultures - here Celtic and several Italian ones.

Great find, Tarbicus !!

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

That web site looks familiar! :? ?

[Dan Diffendale]

One of these was found in an Etrsucan grave with a Hoplite panolpy of shield, bronze muscled cuirass, grieves." P Connolly- Greece & Rome at War"

http://web-facstaff.sas.upenn.edu/~dpd/ ... plies.html
If you scroll down to number 6, that'll be the one you're thinking of, the panoply from Orvieto. There are also a couple panoplies with triple-disc Montefortinos from the Perugia necropoleis (nos. 11 and 12), and a single helmet in the Villa Giulia Museum.

So, from what I've learned so far the Montefortino is a Celtic type, yes? This would indicate that the Etruscans, like the Romans, were also influenced by Celtic works.

The most recent thinking is that it was an Etruscan type originally, but certainly indicative of cross-fertilization. The triple-disc cheek pieces are modelled on the 'Samnite' triple-disc cuirasses, although the general range of the cuirass is more southerly and the helmets more northerly.

[Conal]

The most recent thinking is that it was an Etruscan type originally, but certainly indicative of cross-fertilization. The triple-disc cheek pieces are modelled on the 'Samnite' triple-disc cuirasses, although the general range of the cuirass is more southerly and the helmets more northerly.

Who has been doing this thinking please ?

As regards the modeling , didn't the Samnites have triple disc cheek pieces on their Attic helmets ?

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

A far as I know.... :?

[Paullus Scipio]

The most recent thinking is that it was an Etruscan type originally, but certainly indicative of cross-fertilization

....do we take it that this means now that the earliest dated helmet found in an Etruscan context pre-dates the Gallic invasion of the Po valley ?
More information, please, Dan !